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Post by tyrannosaurs on Aug 9, 2021 16:26:47 GMT -5
I know we already have a thread covering a similar subject, but how far would you push it? Personally, I believe a fairly large (210 to 240 kg' gorilla) would be more likely to win against an average slightly small Amur (170 to 190 kg'). At weight parity I favour the tiger. What do you think think?
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Post by Gorilla king on Aug 9, 2021 16:39:43 GMT -5
Of course a larger gorilla would win against a smaller tiger. But the most important thing is at average weights because those are the animals you find the most. Amur tiger averages 420 lbs, the largest gorilla subspecies, the Eastern lowland gorilla averages 386 lbs, the tiger has a 35 lb weight advantage, not decisive but its something. The gorilla most likely has a stronger upper body, longer arm span, more intelligent, higher bite force, plantigrade stance. The tiger is faster, more agile, more ferocious, has claws.
I think at average weights, the tiger wins 6/7 out of 10 times.
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Post by tyrannosaurs on Aug 9, 2021 16:52:34 GMT -5
I agree. I would be leaning more on the 7/10 side, but that's really no big difference. It wouldn't be free tho, the tiger would most definitely get some good bites.
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Post by Gorilla king on Aug 9, 2021 16:55:46 GMT -5
Hey, i voted for the god damn tiger, at least no one can call me biased for the gorilla now right? Ha ha ha.
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Post by Gorilla king on Aug 9, 2021 16:58:11 GMT -5
The tiger will win a fight yes, but i will say this though, in an interaction in the wild, if a silverback gorilla charges, the tiger would most likely run away.
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Post by tyrannosaurs on Aug 9, 2021 16:58:14 GMT -5
Yep, we cannot. We would never dare friend.
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Post by tyrannosaurs on Aug 9, 2021 16:58:41 GMT -5
The tiger will win a fight yes, but i will say this though, in an interaction in the wild, if a silverback gorilla charges, the tiger would most likely run away.
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Post by Gorilla king on Aug 10, 2021 9:41:07 GMT -5
Lets expose this stupid kid called "Shadow" posting crap at the Domain:
domainofthebears.proboards.com/post/54073/thread Wow, he tries to sound smart, of course tigers are much taller than even the tallest gorillas, who doesn't know that? Lmfao! But the difference is that gorillas are PLANTIGRADE while tigers are digitigrade, this means gorillas would have more balance when standing on hind limbs and a striking/pushing advantage. Not to mention that tigers can only stand for a few seconds while gorillas can stand all they want, so this comparison here is simply meaningless, its the gorilla who would have the advantage on 2 legs.
In a fight to death, the tiger would win more often than not, but in an actual interaction, if the gorilla charges, the tiger would run away faster than a cheetah, so this comparisson is basically shit, ha ha ha, at least its funny.
This kid "Shadow" is really a stupid stupid stupid idiot.
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Post by tyrannosaurs on Aug 10, 2021 13:45:08 GMT -5
That's a comparison with the largest Siberain? It was 325 kg'. Slaght et al (2005) classified it as less reliable, but Sunquist quoted it. When it comes to standing on hind legs, I see the gorilla possessing the advantage as you pointed out. That Shadow wasn't too bad as far as I know right?
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Post by Gorilla king on Aug 10, 2021 13:48:59 GMT -5
That's a comparison with the largest Siberain? It was 325 kg'. Slaght et al (2005) classified it as less reliable, but Sunquist quoted it. When it comes to standing on hind legs, I see the gorilla possessing the advantage as you pointed out. That Shadow wasn't too bad as far as I know right? |
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Post by tyrannosaurs on Aug 10, 2021 13:59:08 GMT -5
Okay, he's nuts.
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Post by tyrannosaurs on Aug 10, 2021 14:32:22 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Aug 10, 2021 14:42:14 GMT -5
I would say MUCH better. That kid "Shadow" knows shit.
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Post by Gorilla king on Aug 10, 2021 14:53:07 GMT -5
Oh by the way, here is another morphological advantage for gorillas:
Look at the average chest girth, all subspecies have it larger than the Amur tiger.
MOUNTAIN GORILLA (GORILLA BERINGEI BERINGEI) 149 CM
EASTERN LOWLAND GORILLA (GORILLA BERINGEI GRAUERI) 154 CM
WESTERN LOWLAND GORILLA (GORILLA GORILLA GORILLA) 143 CM
AMUR TIGER 123 CM
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Post by Tom on Aug 11, 2021 17:27:31 GMT -5
Hey, i voted for the god damn tiger, at least no one can call me biased for the gorilla now right? Ha ha ha. You may have voted for the Tiger but I can easily read the tone of your posts when you mention Tigers as if you disdain their very existence. Why do you dislike the Tiger so much? Have they done something to you personally to warrant such disdain? It's fine to have our favorites but to despise any animal for no other reason than you just don't like them seems a bit odd. Ok back to the topic. Of all the things you listed in the Tigers favor you forget one important thing. Tigers are predators and Gorillas are not. Tigers have to hunt and kill their food, Gorillas do not. There for a Tigers skills in killing large animals is instinctual and exceptional. It's what they do and they do it well. I would also state that for the Tiger to make a clean kill he must ambush the Gorilla. Head to Head confrontations for the Tiger are not going to be his strong suit. If a Silverback Gorilla senses a Tigers presence and charges to protect his troop the Tiger likely may not even attempt an attack. Sometimes intimidation is all it takes to prevent a confrontation. It would have to be a desperate Tiger to do so IMO. IN the end if a so-called head to head confrontation is unavoidable the weapons a Tiger possesses would cause to much trauma to the Gorilla to survive his injuries. |
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Post by Gorilla king on Aug 11, 2021 17:51:46 GMT -5
Tom I admit that's what it sounds like yes. And i will answer this as honestly as possible. After more than 6 years of debating, the tiger fanatics (fanboys) have gotten to me, they have made me lose all patience, so the tiger has to pay for it, i know its wrong, but its just the way it is. Those fanboys crap on bears, so i do the same to tigers. I repeat, its wrong. Tiger fans like you who are very smart (not fanboys), dont deserve this, unfortunately sometimes you pay for your fanbase. That is as honest as i can be.
Actually no, i didn't forget that, its just that in a strictly face to face fight, being an ambush predator wont help you, that is not an advantage in a head on fight for the simple fact that an ambush is out of the equation. In fact, its the other way around, being an ambush predator makes you less good of a face to face fighter, the tiger relies too much on the surprise factor.
I agree with everything in this phrase. this showing once again (same as in the tiger vs bear thread) that you are a very smart and reliable tiger fan (not fanboy), so i respect you.
So yes, at averages the tiger is larger and will win more often than not.
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Post by Tom on Aug 11, 2021 18:06:05 GMT -5
Ok so your thread is based on hypothetical face to face confrontations. In wild if they co-existed same environment this likely would not take place and Tiger would only use ambush tactics on a male Gorilla.
Your taking your hatred out on a animal due to fanboys as you call them, seems very strange if not extreme. Why do you care what others say or feel about Bears? Who really cares what they say? Seems the answer to that is to ignore and don't participate in such foolishness. My advice and you can take it for what your paying for it is to learn to enjoy all animals for what they are and what they were put on this earth to be. You love Bears that's great but don't hate any animal that has done nothing to you personally. Heal those old wounds from those 6 years of arguing. Bashing Tigers on your own forum will not get you new members that love all animals. What it will do is invite those same Tiger fanboys who casually visit here to join and start the process all over again.
That's my advice but you must do what you must do.
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Post by Gorilla king on Aug 11, 2021 18:27:31 GMT -5
Yes of course, this is just a hypothetical face to face fight.
Well, even though sometimes i "raise my voice" when i talk about tigers, i haven't really cursed tigers out or anything like that in this forum. In other forums i used to be much worse, even making the worse threads, that was in response to tiger fanboys as i told you. But we dont have anything like that here.
I got sick of other forums and wasting time with people i absolutely hate so i created this forum so i can talk about animals (especially bears/gorillas) with my friends and smart people, fanboys are not allowed in here.
As you can clearly see by all our threads here, the point is to talk about animals, not to crap on any animal. So this is why i created this forum, to talk about animals with my friends and any other smart person, like you for example. As you can see we have alot of animals here, but of course, the main focus is bears/gorillas.
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Post by arctozilla on Aug 15, 2021 16:15:47 GMT -5
This kid "Shadow" is really a stupid stupid stupid idiot. Wait a second??? Wasn't shadow the same guy who helped debunk “Ocharik killing Chlamid” account??? Did he turned to the dark side now? |
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Post by Gorilla king on Aug 15, 2021 16:28:01 GMT -5
This kid "Shadow" is really a stupid stupid stupid idiot.Wait a second??? Wasn't shadow the same guy who helped debunk “Ocharik killing Chlamid” account??? Did he turned to the dark side now? |
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