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Post by arctozilla on Nov 7, 2021 7:59:03 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Nov 7, 2021 10:11:27 GMT -5
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Post by arctozilla on Nov 21, 2021 15:34:18 GMT -5
Footage never seen before. Black bear scares the shit out of cougar.
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Post by Gorilla king on Nov 21, 2021 16:08:16 GMT -5
Reply #42, nice, never seen that video before, it was uploaded 2 months ago.
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Post by Montezuma on Nov 27, 2021 0:13:37 GMT -5
@arctoszilla
Bro, you made my day happy by posting tgis vudeo.
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 15, 2021 14:55:27 GMT -5
Book, The Works of Theodore Roosevelt: Outdoor pastimes of an American hunter
Author: Theodore Roosevelt, President, Hunter, Naturalist.
"In support of his position Mr Hudson alludes to the stories of cougars attacking the grizzly bear. Here i am on ground that i do know. It is true that an occasional old hunter asserts that the cougar does this, but the old hunter who makes such an assertion also invariable insists that the cougar is a ferocious and habitual man-killer, and the two statements rest upon equally slender foundations of fact. I have never yet heard of a single authentic instance of a cougar interfering with a full-grown big bear. It will kill bear cubs if it gets a chance, but then so will the fox and the fisher, not to speak of the wolf. In 1894, a cougar killed a colt on a brushy river bottom a dozen miles below my ranch on the Little Missouri. I went down to visit the carcass and found that it had been taken possession of by a large grizzly. Both i and the hunter who was with me were very much interested in whar had occured, and after a careful examination of the tracks we concuded that the bear had arrived on the second night after the kill. He had feasted heartily on the remains, while the cougar, whose tracks were evident here and there at a little distance from the carcass, had seemingly circled around it, and had certainly not interfered with the bear, or even ventuted to approach him. Now if a cougar would had ever meddled with a large bear it would surely have been on such an occasion as this."
  books.google.com/books?id=8qVJAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA21&dq=Cougar+killer+by+bear&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj8947qveb0AhWQoXIEHVW1BeA4FBDoAXoECAEQAw
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Post by brobear on Dec 15, 2021 15:34:38 GMT -5
Reply #2 - I remember at the old AVA that the "elite" posters all agreed that this video was manufactured from Hollywood trained animals. I have no evidence and not sure that they did.
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Post by arctozilla on Dec 15, 2021 17:48:22 GMT -5
/\ well but from the way I see it, it's most likely a Hollywood staged movie. I can tell you from the sounds and the movement of camera.
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Post by arctozilla on Dec 15, 2021 17:59:26 GMT -5
Reply #45 another point for us. So according to Roosevelt there no reliable instances of cougars killing full-grown grizzly bears, well not only that. Also Warren B. Ballard, a researcher, says that most observations between cougars and bear are anedoctal. We basically almost refuted accounts of cougars killing bears. I think the only confirmed instance of a cougar killing a bear, was the account from California 2014 reported by Elbroch but it was a subadult, a bear of 3 years old.
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 15, 2021 18:22:56 GMT -5
Subadult female black bear, to be more accurate.
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 15, 2021 23:13:46 GMT -5
Guys, the expert quotes against cougars keep appearing:
Book, Bears in the Yellowstone
Author, Milton Philo Skinner, scientist and educator, who worked for Yellowstone National Park, its concessioners, and its government partners in a variety of positions over more than thirty years.
www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/historyculture/upload/MSC116SkinnerUPDATED.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjq3Zawtuf0AhUVSjABHf9BC5QQFnoECAUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2xr8F02YSzpn8Mhkkmfl-W
"Some of the Indians and our own pioneer hunters used to tell us that the cougar or mountain lion could kill a full-grown grizzly. But, while i have searched through much literature, i can find no authenticated instance. Personally, i doubt these stories very much. It does not seem likely that the big cat could spring upon him and bite through his heavy hair and thick hide quick enough and far enough to cripple him before the big bear could get into action. In a fair and square set-to the mountain lion would have no chance against the grizzly, superior in every way except the peculiar lithe swiftness of the cat. That might carry its possessor out of danger of the grizzly's rush, but it could not avail before the bear's vastly greater weight and strength in actual battle."
books.google.com/books?id=_JQ_AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA123&dq=A+lion+lacks+strength+compared+to+bears&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjCldrRtOf0AhW5TDABHdXVCw8Q6AF6BAgDEAM
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Post by brobear on Dec 16, 2021 1:41:28 GMT -5
Reply #45 another point for us. So according to Roosevelt there no reliable instances of cougars killing full-grown grizzly bears, well not only that. Also David Ballard, the head of National Park Service, says that most observations between cougars and bear are anedoctal. We basically almost refuted accounts of cougars killing bears. I think the only confirmed instance of a cougar killing a bear, was the account from California 2014 reported by Elbroch but it was a subadult, a bear of 3 years old. Let's not forget, the young she-bear had displaced the female cougar from her deer kill. 24 hours later, the cougar returned, obviously after failing another hunt. During that 24 hour period, the bear is eating and sleeping. Cougars, like all cats, are natural-born ambush predators. The bear was most likely either eating or sleeping when the cougar ambushed her. |
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Post by arctozilla on Dec 16, 2021 2:49:48 GMT -5
Reply #50 another point for us, so it's clear that there are not any confirmed accounts of cougars killing full-grown bears. However the ignorant cat fanatics still desperately keep on believing this, yet they refuse to believe stories of dholes killing tigers in seconds LMFAO.
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Post by arctozilla on Dec 16, 2021 3:32:33 GMT -5
Myth: cougars are able kill grizzly bears and black bears.
Reality: grizzly bears and black bears do dominate cougars in dispute over kills and do even kill them. Cougars generally don't prey on bears and try to avoid them.
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Post by brobear on Dec 17, 2021 8:52:59 GMT -5
Myth: cougars are able kill grizzly bears and black bears. Reality: grizzly bears and black bears do dominate cougars in dispute over kills and do even kill them. Cougars generally don't prey on bears and try to avoid them. Very few cougars have ever been killed by bears. A cougar will not stand his ground against an adult bear to defend a carcass. Perhaps, there have been cases of a mother cougar trying to defend her cubs. I see this as a possibility. Also, there have been reports of a cougar sometimes trying to bluff a bear, over a carcass, by the slash and dodge tactic ( slapping and hissing ). Perhaps a young inexperienced bear might be impressed, or maybe a bear who is not really hungry and so not determined. But, if the bear is an adult and really wants the carcass, the cougar will retreat. A cougar will never go head-to-head against an adult bear of any species. |
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Post by arctozilla on Dec 17, 2021 9:14:46 GMT -5
Yeah, even a sun bear (smallest bear species) beats the shit out of the mountain kitty.
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Post by arctozilla on Dec 19, 2021 7:55:32 GMT -5
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Post by arctozilla on Dec 20, 2021 4:21:49 GMT -5
It's an undeniable fact that cougars are subordinate to bears. Here's a lot of biologists and naturalists stating this.
Max Allen, lead biologist of Mendochino Mountain Lion Project.
Anna Kusler and Mark L. Elbroch, lead scientists of Panthera.
Theodore Roosevelt, hunter and naturalist.
Milton Philo Skinner, scientist and educator of Yellowstone National Park.
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 20, 2021 15:16:11 GMT -5
Bear wins from cougar. No need to prove.
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Post by arctozilla on Dec 20, 2021 16:52:12 GMT -5
/\ Yes there's also another fact. Cougars are pussies for gray wolves while grizzly bears do dominate wolf packs on regular basis. Cat fanatics are in denial.
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