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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 27, 2022 6:08:21 GMT -5
arctozilla Reply #79, the screen shot disappeared.
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Post by arctozilla on Oct 27, 2022 7:28:05 GMT -5
/\ I rewatched my reply and the screenshot is still here.
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 27, 2022 7:55:10 GMT -5
/\ I rewatched my reply and the screenshot is still here. Its not showing for me. What does it say?
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Post by arctozilla on Oct 27, 2022 8:35:33 GMT -5
Maybe the screenshot is just invisible on your phone.
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Post by Jiren on Oct 27, 2022 21:39:34 GMT -5
I don’t see it neither.
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Post by arctozilla on Oct 28, 2022 3:41:45 GMT -5
I modified it, do you see it now.
Inviato dal mio 21061119DG utilizzando Tapatalk
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 28, 2022 5:42:37 GMT -5
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Post by arctozilla on Dec 6, 2022 3:07:12 GMT -5
Why are you asking this? Wasn't the case already debunked? Yes, but if Batalov himself would say that he was wrong or misquoted, or that he is not really sure, then that would be the last "nail in the coffin"Anything we should ask him if that his case was accepted by scientific community. Also being certain about something doesn't mean proving something to be true, you need to provide details to do it.
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 6, 2022 5:23:22 GMT -5
I think we do not need to contact batalov in regard for that event. Its unconfirmed when considering the lack of details, the lack of other biologist participation of report and batalov dening his own 2017 report in 2019 in email.
I am not more curious about that event. That has been proved unconformied a long time ago, so no need to discuss that now. I am, however, very interested to contact batalov to ask his opinion in tiger vs bear duel.
I think that you should discuss this topic in siberian tiger vs ussuri bear thread, not here. Lets keep this thread only opinion thread.
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Dec 7, 2022 7:44:15 GMT -5
/\Go ahead and contact Batolov.
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 26, 2022 17:21:45 GMT -5
Bear expert David meanwell says tigers win by ambush but if they start losing a fight they run away:
CREDITED TO MONTEZUMA
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 26, 2022 17:36:26 GMT -5
Yeah. He is basically talking in general. That as a rule, tigers always kill bears via ambush where he favours the tiger. But, in fights, tiger simply run away. Which means bears generally defeat tigers in fights.And his opinion does matter since he is a bear expert and director of conservation.David Meanwell Director at Bear Conservation
uk.linkedin.com/in/david-meanwell-b960355
And Bear Conservation has knowledge about all species of bears around the world.
Bear Conservation is a non-profit organisation advocating and campaigning for the welfare, conservation and protection of bears and the environments in which they live.
Our vision is of a world where all bears are given the necessary protection and space to live out their natural lives in the wild.
By providing accessible, accurate and comprehensive sources of information on all things "bear" we work to help those who want to learn more about bears and to use their knowledge to speak out for bears and to help achieve our vision.
www.bearconservation.org.uk/
So his opinion carries weight.
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Post by brobear on Dec 29, 2022 23:50:47 GMT -5
Quote, "Yeah. He is basically talking in general. That as a rule, tigers always kill bears via ambush where he favours the tiger. But, in fights, tiger simply run away. Which means bears generally defeat tigers in fights. And his opinion does matter since he is a bear expert and director of conservation." *Note; We must also consider what bears are ambushed by the tiger. So, he is saying, if the she-bear starts getting the upper hand, the tiger can escape.
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Post by Montezuma on Feb 18, 2023 5:48:25 GMT -5
We missed this important statement, but i accidentally noticed it; where scientists state that the cave lion, even the largest of them, would stand no chance against a large cave bear in a confrontation. "Largest males of the Polish specimens of P. s. spelaea reached up to 400 kg, which is double of the weight of the average Siberian tiger. However, U. a. priscus was truly gigantic bear with an average weight of adult males ca. 600–800 kg, and it can reach even up to 1500 kg in the largest individuals (Musil, 2018; Marciszak et al., 2019c). Such immense individuals are known among other from Nied´zwiedzia Cave, where they co-occurred with the cave lion. In direct confrontation with the horse-size bear, even the largest cat, hyena clan or wolf pack was without any chance and usually left their rightfull kill for the competitor (Bocherens et al., 2011a, b, 2015; Bocherens, 2015) (Fig. 18)."
www.researchgate.net/publication/347492257_The_Pleistocene_lion_Panthera_spelaea_Goldfuss_1810_from_Poland_-_A_review
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Post by Montezuma on Feb 22, 2023 22:22:39 GMT -5
Here are the number of opinions we have overall (only in a fight)
1. Opinions favouring Bears over tigers (19)
2. Opinions favouring Bears over lions (17)
3. Opinions favouring Spectacled Bears over jaguar (1)
4. Opinions favouring Cave Bear over Cave lion (1)
5. Opinion favouring Black bear over cougar (1)
Overall, we have a overwhelming amount of 39 opinions, which is pretty good amount. Not to mention i excluded the grizzly bear over cougar which i think isn't much considerable.
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Post by arctozilla on Jul 6, 2023 0:46:59 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Jan 15, 2024 8:58:16 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Jan 20, 2024 14:43:53 GMT -5
Thats a very nice find bro. Love it. Does he meant that the grizzly can slay an african lion in a fair fight, in simple words?
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Post by Gorilla king on Jan 20, 2024 16:50:49 GMT -5
Thats a very nice find bro. Love it. Does he meant that the grizzly can slay an african lion in a fair fight, in simple words? Yeah, that's exactly what he meant.
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Post by Montezuma on Jan 30, 2024 12:35:47 GMT -5
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