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Post by Montezuma on Jul 10, 2022 0:45:49 GMT -5
Thank you guys! I just always waals looking for a opinion favouring a spectacled bear over jaguar, and found one, now i will try to look for sloth bear vs leopard. Marco's opinion is very reliable as his qualification shows his great knowledege about the wildlife of Latin america. And its a very lucky thing to get an email from an expert. I messaged 20 experts and only marco replied, it takes a hard time.
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Post by Montezuma on Jul 10, 2022 1:05:45 GMT -5
Reply#52 Thats a great find there bro. Yes indeed, bears are very unpredictable when attacking. I saw a video where a bear was just simply hugging an animal trainer but instantly charged even before the man could notice that the bear would attack. Similarily, is middle east, bears were seen as fierce, strong and royal animals, like lions (but as enemy kings) which were highly unpredictable. And yes, its again proven that a determined cat like lion could still be stopped by chair showing the big cats true nature, big cats would take no time by ambush but wpuld highly hesitate from attacking frontly. While the a determined bear is not afraid of a chair and would charge like a pure man💪
Reply#54 acrozilla bro has made another great find. So a tiger fears bear, so good. We alreadily know about that but thanks bro that you gave us a prove now. Indeed, tiger is a coward and would avoid frontal attack to any bear species, even smaller than himself. Great find. And its also very impressive to see the genre of the book is also pretty nice.
Reply#55 yes, i do not see any reason that an adult male bruin would avoid an adult male tiger. No matter how large is a wolf pack, the male grizzly bear would nevrr avoid it, instead he would go after them for his famous kleptoparsitism. Same goes for the tiger. Further, brown bears often take huge injuries from other bears, so taking some few or no injury fom tiger would not bother him (especially with a price).
I am however very curious ablut this statement:-
"A video from a authority told that an adult make brown bear displacing a big male tiger from its kill regularly."
Did peter ever posted that or ever gave a clue of it?
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Post by Gorilla king on Jul 10, 2022 6:19:02 GMT -5
MontezumaHe said he will post the video soon. It will be awesome.
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Post by Montezuma on Jul 16, 2022 23:34:32 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Jul 30, 2022 4:11:14 GMT -5
Opinion from Spencer Peter, a researcher on north american bears, who favours a large black bear over a large cougar in a fight. Me:- "Thanks for the reply. I understand that unlike grizzly bears, black bears are very passive bears. On the other hand, cougars are very cowardly."
"I want to ask that if a large aggressive black bear fight a large aggressive cougar in a "fight to death", with no escape; so who is more likely to kill the other? My guess is that the black bear would win due to superior size, strength and durability. Anyway, i am more interested in your opinion. Do you agree with me?"
Spencer:- "It is still a rather difficult question to answer with all the factors to consider. However, given the parameters you set I would agree. My opinion is that the black bear would probably win the fight. Also, keep in mind that my opinion is somewhat biased as I do work with black bears. Thank you for your question!"
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Post by Gorilla king on Jul 30, 2022 5:24:12 GMT -5
Montezuma Very nice buddy! Another nice email from an expert favoring bears.
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Jul 30, 2022 6:56:50 GMT -5
@montezuma , have you ever considered contacting alexander B?
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Post by Montezuma on Jul 30, 2022 9:37:43 GMT -5
@montezuma , have you ever considered contacting alexander B? Nope. I am stilling looking for his contact. Its just like finding needle in garden. Only one person (we know) has his email.
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Post by arctozilla on Jul 30, 2022 11:34:17 GMT -5
@montezuma , have you ever considered contacting alexander B? Why are you asking this? Wasn't the case already debunked?
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Post by Gorilla king on Jul 30, 2022 13:59:43 GMT -5
@montezuma , have you ever considered contacting alexander B? Why are you asking this? Wasn't the case already debunked? Yes, but if Batalov himself would say that he was wrong or misquoted, or that he is not really sure, then that would be the last "nail in the coffin"
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Post by Gorilla king on Aug 20, 2022 20:51:48 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Sept 4, 2022 21:02:49 GMT -5
THIS ARTICLE IS FROM ANDREW J. STONE, WORLD-RENOWNED ARTIC EXPLORER, HUNTER, AND NATURALIST."People generally believe, and have believed for ages, that the African lion is the king of beasts. But he is not nearly as large or as powerful an animal as the large brown bear of Subartic America."
"The bears are not as ferocious or combative as the lions, nor are they nearly as vicious as they are given credit for being, but the largest of them are much larger and more powerful than any of the lions." It is safe to say that the largest of the brown bears of the North would weigh three times as much as the largest specimen of lion, and is beyond all question greatly superior in strength."
"Comparing these two powerful animals in action, if brought together in combat, the bear would at first appear very clumsy. It would not be capable of the quick rush or of the catlike spring of the lion. It would not attack, but would remain entirely on the defensive, meeting its adversary with blows of such rapidity and terrific force as at once to illustrate its superiority not only in strength, but in action. I do not believe that there is an animal in the world that can act more quickly or effectively or can aim its blows with greater certainty than the bear."
books.google.com/books?id=w8B6YOWPpvcC&pg=PA205&dq=is+a+bear+more+powerful+than+a+lion&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjUvP2swPz5AhXqO1kFHefbA2M4ChDoAXoECAQQAw#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Post by Montezuma on Sept 7, 2022 7:10:57 GMT -5
/\ Its a great find here. But i dusagree with done statements. First of all, bears are more combative than lions. Bears are way better fighters than lions (as a known fact) and some bear species are more terrible and fierce than lions such as californian grizzlies or sloth bears.
Most hunters and biologists have showed bears as more tenacious, terrible and fierce combatants than big cats. Even beatty stated that, "CONTRARY TO COMMON BELIEVE, bears are careful and vicious fighters".
Anyways, this opinion rightly favours the bear's physical superiority over than of lion's, but i pointed out his some mistakes.
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Sept 7, 2022 7:47:56 GMT -5
/\ I think sometimes lions can be more aggressive as they are more territorial. However, during mating season male brown bears and polar bears can be very aggressive and probably more so than big cats.
Somebody posted info that male Ussuri brown bears will attack anything even grouse birds.
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Post by Gorilla king on Sept 7, 2022 8:40:57 GMT -5
/\ Its a great find here. But i dusagree with done statements. First of all, bears are more combative than lions. Bears are way better fighters than lions (as a known fact) and some bear species are more terrible and fierce than lions such as californian grizzlies or sloth bears. Most hunters and biologists have showed bears as more tenacious, terrible and fierce combatants than big cats. Even beatty stated that, "CONTRARY TO COMMON BELIEVE, bears are careful and vicious fighters". Anyways, this opinion rightly favours the bear's physical superiority over than of lion's, but i pointed out his some mistakes. A knowledgeable poster from AVA said that bears are more combative than lions but he didn't show any proof. Anyhow, supposedly lions are the most combative animals, i agree with this statement, i can see this on videos. As regards to better fighting, the article states that bears are:
It says bears would start clumsy and in defensive mode, which i believe is true, and the lion would start more ferociously, this statement is also true as it is known that lions (or tigers) would start out fast and then as the fight goes on, they would start to lose stamina and start to lose the fight, like it happened with Matkasur.
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Post by arctozilla on Sept 9, 2022 8:50:47 GMT -5
Lions mostly fight with 3 paws on the ground, they're not great fighters like people say.
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Post by arctozilla on Oct 21, 2022 8:14:48 GMT -5
BIG BONNS DIDN'T SHOW A SCREEN SHOT OF THIS EMAIL, SO IT SHOULD BE UNCONFIRMED, HOWEVER EVERYTHING STATED IS VERY RELIABLE:
Dimitri Pikunov, in his mail to Bonns, which was posted on the thread 'Mail from Dimitri Pikunov', stated
I think Greengrolar should ask Peter if BigBons posted a screenshot. Because he was present on that thread during that time.
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 21, 2022 11:09:11 GMT -5
Yeah, but i guess that screen shot disappeared or timed out, that happens alot with very old posts.
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Oct 23, 2022 2:37:20 GMT -5
/\ The screenshot seems to have disappeared and I was absent during that time. Started being active on the forums on 2018 (near the end of the year) after a long break.
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Post by arctozilla on Oct 27, 2022 4:54:15 GMT -5
Here's an opinion from the ecologist and wildlife photographer Dan Lambert.
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