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Post by Montezuma on Oct 9, 2021 19:27:05 GMT -5
Here is another one.
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Oct 9, 2021 21:32:01 GMT -5
Welcome back to the forum @montezuma. You always seem to find accounts and sources .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 15:26:31 GMT -5
From the book: The minds and manners of wild animals, page 277 Written by: William Temple Hornaday, Sc.D. was an American zoologist, conservationist, taxidermist, and author “The blow of a tiger's paw is as powerful as that of s grizzly of the same size, though I doubt if it is any quicker in delivery. The quickness with which a seemingly clumsy bear can deliver a smashing blow is astonishing. Moreover, nature has given the grizzly a coat of fur which has a protection in a fighting is almost equal to chain mail. It’s length, combined with its density, makes it difficult for teeth or claws to cut through it, and struggle with a tiger, protective fur is only a fair compensation for a serious lack of leaping power in the hinder limbs. Though the tiger would win at equal weights, it is extremely probable that an adult California grizzly would vanquish a tiger of the largest size, for his greater bulk would far outweigh the latter’s ability.” Hey and I also read a study about plantigrades having better striking and fighting styles than digitirades.It’s by Blaire Two editions of the book: books.google.com/books/about/The_Minds_and_Manners_of_Wild_Animals.html?id=1o85AAAAMAAJwww.google.com/books/edition/The_Minds_and_Manners_of_Wild_Animals/5MyAlQuzg_sC?hl=en
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Post by arctozilla on Oct 23, 2021 15:05:28 GMT -5
Here's the russian biologist Alex Kulikov stating that female brown bears are stronger than tigresses. Alex Kulikov www.researchgate.net/profile/Alex-KulikovEnvironmentalists are searching for a female tiger called Troya, which was released from a wildlife rehabilitation centre. The tiger disappeared without trace in the Far Eastern taiga. Three months ago, Russian and American experts launched a unique experiment in Russia's Far East. Two young female tigers, Troya and Pakhomovna, were released from the Wildlife Rehabilitation Centre Utes, at the foothills of the Sikhote-Alin Range in the Khabarovsk Region, following a lengthy treatment. Special radio-collars, which transfer information via a satellite to a radio centre, were attached to the two animals. However, soon the radio centre stopped receiving signals from Troya's collar. The ecologists organised helicopter rides over the taiga and hunting experts and rangers combed the area, from where the last signals were received, but no trace of the tiger has been found. Board Chairman of the Regional Wildlife Foundation and Doctor of Biology Alexander Kulikov told RIA Novosti that "most probably, Troya has become yet another victim of poachers." "Even if the tiger died in a fight with another stronger animal, e.g. a female brown bear, the collar would have shown where she died," Mr. Kulikov said. He stressed, "poachers possess technical means that might be superior to those of ecologists and hunting experts; they can intercept radio signals, calculate where an animal is going, and set up an ambush." The value of the fur, bones, and internal organs of a tiger is extortionately high on the black market. It is extremely hard to find the poachers. However, even when they are caught, they only end up paying fines and receiving a suspended sentence," Mr. Kulikov said. Chinese law provides strict penalties - up to death -- for the intentional killing of a tiger. "We do not even talk about such penalties here," the scientist stressed, "but we should, as it would than prevent people from killing and selling an animal who is listed in the World Endangered Species List." Mr. Kulikov also mentioned that five years ago 65 to 70 Amur tigers inhabited the forests of the Khabarovsk Region. Today there are less than 60. - See more at: www.pravdareport.com/news/society/09-11-2001/28806-0/#sthash.IbnVNr95.dpuf
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 23, 2021 15:36:43 GMT -5
arctozilla
Reply #23, that is a very good find buddy, that is a biologist talking. These quotes are very rare, this is the kind of things we need.
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Post by Montezuma on Oct 23, 2021 20:59:16 GMT -5
It says that a female brown bear can kill a female tiger in a fight. So i clearly means that a male brown bear can kill a male tiger in a fight. Thats easy.
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Post by Jiren on Oct 23, 2021 22:24:04 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 29, 2021 11:48:34 GMT -5
HERE ARE SOME OPINIONS FROM AN ANIMAL DEALER:
"Supposing all the animals in the "zoo" at Regent's Park were to begin a fight to the death, who would be the ultimate victor? A well known animal dealer votes for the elephant. His trunk is his weapon, and he is the hardest hitter with it of all the animals"
"In a lion and tiger fight, one would hardly back Leo, for he is generally several stones lighter than the tiger"
"The grizzly bear is a formidable foe. He can punch like no animal save the elephant, one blow of his stupendous paw will break a horse's back, and when he clinches to avoid punishment, his hug will crush anything living. Besides this, nothing can break his pluck. He will fight as long as he can see or stand, and he is a glutton for punishment. None of the cat tribe could stand a tenth of the pounding which the grizzly takes without turning a hair. As an offset to the useful qualities i have enumerated, the bear is slow on his feet, and his eye is not good"trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/33198135?searchTerm=Bears%20are%20better%20fighters%20than%20lions
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Post by arctozilla on Oct 29, 2021 17:42:07 GMT -5
Where does this account came from? Never seen that before.
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 29, 2021 18:15:52 GMT -5
Where does this account came from? Never seen that before. The link was posted. Trove newspaper archive. It was never posted before as far as i know.
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Post by Montezuma on Oct 30, 2021 22:48:18 GMT -5
Although every opinion is notable yet for me some opinions carry more importance than other.
In animal trainers, i like the opinion of Clyde beatty most because he was the most experienced by others as he saw more fights.
In biologists, krechmar carries a lot more importance because by his words i think we can say that "anyone who think that a large tiger can beat a large tiger is in fantansy which is not on facts while in reality a large bear can beat a large tiger". He uses the word 'large' which clearly means that he is talking about fully-grown male tiger and bear.
In hunters, teddy rossevelt, seems the most better to me.
In historical writters, the Albert.S.Evans carries tge most importance to me as he has written many books on California history and knows pretty much about pit fights of those era. He is so famous that he is even mentioned in the book of California grizzly. Kit karson had an encounter with the grizzly himself and also knew much about bear and man rekations over there but i still
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Post by Montezuma on Nov 4, 2021 20:32:16 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Nov 6, 2021 20:47:31 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Nov 12, 2021 16:04:42 GMT -5
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Post by arctozilla on Nov 14, 2021 13:33:21 GMT -5
According to siberiantiger_center male bears are stronger and force tigers to give up their prey.
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Post by Gorilla king on Jan 15, 2022 15:00:36 GMT -5
BIG BONNS DIDN'T SHOW A SCREEN SHOT OF THIS EMAIL, SO IT SHOULD BE UNCONFIRMED, HOWEVER EVERYTHING STATED IS VERY RELIABLE:
Dimitri Pikunov, in his mail to Bonns, which was posted on the thread 'Mail from Dimitri Pikunov', stated
" ... some Brown Bear ... can be extremely fiersome animals and are not on the Tigers list for a prey animal. Such a Brown Bear which decides not to flee the angry report of a Tiger warning will indeed win a fight with a Tiger of similar size. There have been several events recorded of fights and several mauled or killed Tigers owing to savage attacks by some of these Bears which are even more concern to the human traveller and field researcher. Very simplified, the 2 ... can be quite well matched in tooth and claw but the Bear always wears the Tiger out. It is a similarly powerful animal but more durable and very difficult to kill. The biggest threat to the Tiger is exhaustion. It is concerned with a surprise killing ... but is stress induced during a fight with its own kind or Bear and may die more readily from this than from the wounds it directly receives. Tigers have a tendency to shut down from rapid exhaustion more so than the wounds it may receive and here the Bear will take advantage ... ".
" ... Some male Bears can be amongst the most powerful and ferocious adversaries for any animal. I have lost friends ... and the Tiger is no match for him ... ".
Reply #318:
www.tapatalk.com/groups/animalsversesanimals/male-brown-bears-are-not-out-of-of-the-predatory-r-t1991-s310.html#p34583
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Post by Montezuma on Feb 7, 2022 23:55:28 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Feb 8, 2022 11:48:59 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on May 11, 2022 7:06:48 GMT -5
According to well-known animal trainer, Howard Ward, a Grizzly bear can beat an African lion in a fight.
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Post by Montezuma on May 21, 2022 23:18:40 GMT -5
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