Jiren
Black bear
“Water can flow, or it can crash”.
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Post by Jiren on Oct 29, 2022 14:35:32 GMT -5
First of all, Look at the guy's biography:
Michel Pastoureau (born 17 June 1947) is a French professor of medieval history and an expert in Western symbology.
Pastoureau was born in Paris on 17 June 1947. He studied at the École Nationale des Chartes, a college for prospective archivists and librarians. After writing his 1972 thesis about heraldic bestiaries in the Middle Ages, he worked in the coins, medals and antiquities department of the Bibliothèque nationale de France until 1982.
Since 1983 he has held the Chair of History of Western Symbolism (Chaire d'histoire de la symbolique occidentale) and is a director of studies at the Sorbonne's École pratique des hautes études. He is an academician of the Académie internationale d'héraldique (International Academy of Heraldry) and vice-president of the Société française d'héraldique (French Heraldry Society). When he received an honorary doctorate from the University of Lausanne in 1996, he was described as an eminent scholar who has made a radical contribution to several disciplines.
Professor Pastoureau has published widely, including work on the history of colours, animals, symbols, and the knights of the Round Table. He has also written on emblems and heraldry, as well as sigillography and numismatics.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Pastoureau
This guy has the highest ranks in his proffesion, which is medieval history. Also:
Which means:
Eminent scholar means world-class, distinguished and established investigators recognized nationally for their research, achievements and ability to garner significant federal funding on an annual basis. Eminent scholars are recognized for their scientific knowledge and entrepreneurial spirit to enhance the innovative research that leads to economic gains. Eminent scholars are either members of or likely candidates for the national academy of sciences or other prominent national academic science organizations.
www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/eminent-scholar
So of course he made a trace and studied all of what he wrote in his book, a person with his accolades doesn't just write stuff out of his ass. You can be damn sure that out of all the historians that have made statements about animal vs animal in Rome, Pastoureau is by far the most reliable.
Here’s some more stuff. Proof he knows about Roman sculptures and paintings. “Pastoureau's engaging cultural history of the color green tackles art history and color theory, much like the author's previous books on Blue (2001) and Black (2008). With the look and feel of an artbook, this book holds equal amounts of substance of in the text. Pastoureau recalls green's "social, cultural and symbolic history in European societies, from Greek antiquity to the present." The chronological approach proves effective. The author begins by examining green in classical Greek sculptures and Roman mural paintings.” www.publishersweekly.com/9780691159362All of the books about color are talked about from Roman times to present. The history of white “In this richly illustrated book, Michel Pastoureau, a celebrated authority on the history of colors, presents a fascinating visual, social, and cultural history of the color white in European societies, from antiquity to today.” books.google.com/books?id=9meFEAAAQBAJ&dq=white+the+history+of+a+color+%22antiquity%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=1&ovdme=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjlnOazwvL6AhVASzABHUvsAc0Q6AF6BAgOEAM And according to Oxford, antiquity is the ancient past, especially the period before the Middle Ages. (Roman.) Same goes for his book yellow: “From the acclaimed author of Blue, a beautifully illustrated history of yellow from antiquity to the present” That means Rome. His book of blue: “A beautifully illustrated visual and cultural history of the color blue throughout the ages Blue has had a long and topsy-turvy history in the Western world. The ancient Greeks scorned it as ugly and barbaric, but most Americans and Europeans now cite it as their favorite color. In this fascinating history, the renowned medievalist Michel Pastoureau traces the changing meanings of blue from its rare appearance in prehistoric art to its international ubiquity today.” That clearly mentions Roman. “A beautifully illustrated visual and cultural history of the color red throughout the ages”. That would include Roman. (Saw a site saying Roman history can’t find it now). “In this beautiful and richly illustrated book, the acclaimed author of Blue and Black presents a fascinating and revealing history of the color green in European societies from prehistoric times to today.” That also includes Roman times. “The story of the color black in art, fashion, and culture—from the beginning of history to the twenty-first century.” Beginning of history is beginning of Roman history. M. Pastoureau, “Ceci est mon sang: Le christianisme médiéval et la in early Roman history. ibb.co/BGJcYbxHistory of a bear: Fallen King is about both medieval and European (Roman) history. Roman is a huge part of Europe history. Stated in the description too. Here’s another Roman book that mentions him. www.google.com/books/edition/My ... QBAJ?hl=en Even the subject says this: “I have learnt much from such thematic analyses as those practised by Michel Pastoureau and Theodore Ziolkowski.” “Subject: History / Ancient / General, Literary Collections / Ancient & Classical, Literary Criticism / Ancient & Classical, Religion / Ancient, Greece -- Civilization, Greek drama (Tragedy) -- History and criticism, Greek drama (Tragedy) -- History and criticism -- Themes, motives, Greek drama (Tragedy) -- Themes, motives, Greek drama (Tragedy)., Greek drama (Tragedy); History and criticism., …” “ He traces the social and cultural history of the color through the fall of the Roman Empire, the rise of the Church, the Middle Ages, the Renaissance.” www.librarything.com/work/6575058So that means he studies Roman. There’s more but that’s enough.
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Post by arctozilla on Nov 2, 2022 16:54:18 GMT -5
"Fagwin" is nothing but a Canadian lion ass lover. Kid thinks lions completely dominate bull tusker elephants and favors them in a fight. That's all you need to know. Absolutely nobody takes that faggot seriously. He even believes that Michael Pastoreau is in truth a bear fanboy and wrote the book to support his fanboyism. I have no words on that. Inviato dal mio 21061119DG utilizzando Tapatalk
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Post by Gorilla king on Nov 2, 2022 17:30:36 GMT -5
"Fagwin" is nothing but a Canadian lion ass lover. Kid thinks lions completely dominate bull tusker elephants and favors them in a fight. That's all you need to know. Absolutely nobody takes that faggot seriously. He even believes that Michael Pastoreau is in truth a bear fanboy and wrote the book to support his fanboyism. I have no words on that. Inviato dal mio 21061119DG utilizzando Tapatalk Yeah i know, he used to tell me that when i was there debating. Can you imagine Pastoureau being a bear fan? Holy cow i cant stand that fag.
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Jiren
Black bear
“Water can flow, or it can crash”.
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Post by Jiren on Dec 3, 2022 20:08:23 GMT -5
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Dec 3, 2022 21:57:21 GMT -5
The lioness was already old.
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 3, 2022 23:40:33 GMT -5
This is a well known event. I really dont know why i have not posted it in the "bears kill or defeat lions" thread as we have there absolutely every other known account of the bears winning. Kingtheropod used to have this video news of this in his youtube channel and we used to debate alot there, now he took it down. Its this video here, but this is from another user:
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Jiren
Black bear
“Water can flow, or it can crash”.
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Post by Jiren on Dec 10, 2022 19:35:00 GMT -5
Yes, its one of the old accounts though, but now according to the source you found, we know the polar bear was a small juvenile, (these 2 screen shots below dont state that). Great find.
Brutus was the largest lion owned by the Hagenbeck and Wallace show company, the lion was badly hurt. So a sick/weak/overheated small juvenile polar bear badly hurt a large lion before dying, awesome.
Something I found on my own. “Polar Bear Trafficking That same article reported two polar bears, indented for the zoo, arrived the previous day in Boston. They arrived, in the company of four Eurasian brown bears, on the steamer Bulgaria from Hamburg, Germany. Hamburg was the base of operations of the Hagenbecks, a family of animal traders that gathered animals captured from all over the world and sold them to zoos, circuses, and traveling animal shows. One member of the family, Carl Hagenbeck Jr., was also known for exhibiting indigenous people from Africa, the Arctic, and the Pacific Islands in his zoo (see Rothfels, Savages and Beasts). “ ibb.co/wNnBGrHNotice how Hagenback’s bears are all SMALL. Now read this… “Some of the polar bears abducted by the Hagenbecks faced a fate worse than zoo captivity. These seven polar bears were forced to become performers by Carl's relative Wilhelm Hagenbeck. The photo is from an English translation of Carl Hagenbeck's memoir, digitized by the BPL and available at archive.org/details/beastsmenbeingca00hage/page/n7/mode/2u“. www.bpl.org/blogs/post/the-polar-bears-of-franklin-park/So Hagenback’s bears were small and suffered terrible fates and some were forced to perform. This is only some. Funny how the bear killed by Brutus was “killed while performing ” ibb.co/994nMFXibb.co/C81ZTKqbooks.google.com/books?id=4ZMkAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA302&dq=hagenbeck+polar+bears+small&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&ovdme=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjP9cCWpPD7AhXKjLAFHe70CpUQ6AF6BAgFEAM#v=onepage&q=hagenbeck%20polar%20bears%20small&f=falseThat’s seventy five adult polar bears, and they are all small. These are all of his bears. books.google.com/books?id=_V3VXsi3UccC&pg=PA95&dq=hagenbeck+polar+bears+small&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&ovdme=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwje-r2LpvD7AhVVSzABHSPKBRE4ChDoAXoECAkQAwHere’s an example of how small they were: ibb.co/CQBg2mPibb.co/92tw5Stibb.co/xHwKh1Ribb.co/mHb59q1Small bear confirmed perhaps.
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 25, 2022 17:30:44 GMT -5
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Feb 6, 2023 19:13:31 GMT -5
BEAR FENDS OFF 2 LIONESSES
"It seemed as if the lionesses had agreed upon the moment for the attack. Some of the local papers say that they both refused to eat the horse flesh given to they that day, as if expecting something more palatable, but this the keeper declares is preposterous, because a lion is never known to decline any adible. He eats what he has, and anything he gets later is so much extra.
The elder and stronger of the lionesses pried open the door of the cage and broke into the bear's den. The roar of the attacking party startled the keeper and he dashed into the building. He found the White bear with his back against the rear of his cage standing up and swinging his claws at his assailant, growling and sputtering.
Just as the keeper entered the building the second lioness was getting into the cage. The pair stood a few feet away from the bear as if to prepare an attack in unison, one lioness on the right of the defending party and the other on his left. Then suddenly they sprang upon him together.
The older lioness dodged a blow from his paw and fastened upon his throat. The bear was in such a position that at close quarters he was almost helpless. It seemed only a question of time when the lioness that had him by the throat would bite and claw him to death. The blood flowed from the unfortunate creature in red torrents and it looked as if he could not last many minutes.
Meanwhle the other lioness was making violent efforts to aid her sister. The bear, however, while unable to rid himself of his enemy at close quarters, fought most successfully with the one at long range. Everytime the lioness attempted to get closer his great paw shot out. Several times she rolled in the dust, only to return to the charge, however, with renewed fury.
The attention of the lioness that had the bear by the throat was distracted by a critical occurrence in the other battle and she relaxed her hold for a moment. The bear felt his opportunity and by a violent and sudden twist freed himself. Then he brought his forelegs into play and beat the lioness back to the other end of the cage."
From Lingguru on the Domain. He did not post the link.
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Post by Gorilla king on Feb 7, 2023 1:49:01 GMT -5
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Feb 7, 2023 4:28:39 GMT -5
/\ A captive polar bear is not nearly as large not as powerful as its wild counterparts. I think that newspaper also existed before Animal Rights Act existed too.
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Jiren
Black bear
“Water can flow, or it can crash”.
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Post by Jiren on Feb 7, 2023 18:03:10 GMT -5
I knew it sounded familiar.
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Post by Montezuma on Mar 11, 2023 0:47:27 GMT -5
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Mar 11, 2023 2:45:40 GMT -5
It is not a surprise as male brown bears are generally heavier (depending on the subspecies).
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Post by Gorilla king on Mar 11, 2023 6:01:13 GMT -5
That's an awesome thread bro!. I dont see anything to add for now.
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Post by arctozilla on Jun 21, 2023 2:16:56 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Jun 21, 2023 7:50:01 GMT -5
Reply #155:
Its the same account. Same year, same month, and its from Bostock's zoo in Boston. One account says it lasted 1 round while the other says "long and terrible struggle". So yes, a full grown lioness killed a big black bear.
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Post by arctozilla on Jun 21, 2023 7:53:22 GMT -5
I have other two questions: How much large is a male black bear in comparison to a lioness? And which black bear is more common in captivity the Asian one or the American one?
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Post by Gorilla king on Jun 21, 2023 8:06:01 GMT -5
I have other two questions: How much large is a male black bear in comparison to a lioness? And which black bear is more common in captivity the Asian one or the American one? Like always, "big black bear", we dont really know how large that is, it could had very well been a 300 lb bear for all we know, we have seen this before. The largest black bears could be 600-800 lbs though, especially in captivity. A full grown lioness averages 140 kg (308 lbs) in the wild (largest population):
Reply #27:
beargorillarealm.proboards.com/post/4303/thread
In USA, it was most likely an American black bear, but we just dont know.
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Post by Gorilla king on Jan 3, 2024 21:57:04 GMT -5
Here is a 24 year old African lion that was submissive with a bear. The lion was very very old, but still lol, nobody expected that.
During a lion-baiting in New orleans In 1832, a bear was placed in the cage of a 24-year-old African lion, with the intent that the lion would tear it to pieces. Contrary to expectation, after the bear made several unrequired lunges at the lion, the king of the jungle "after some time elapsed, placed his paw on the bear's head as if to express his pity for its helpless situation, and evinced every disposition to cultivate friendship." A reporter, dubious of the tale, went to inspect the situation for himself and discovered both animals together, the lion remaining constantly awake "to guard his weaker companion from danger."books.google.com.ar/books?id=VoyOa5mIlI8C&pg=PA111&dq=Menagerie+and+swim+the+Delaware+near+the+Brandywine
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