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Post by arctozilla on Jul 17, 2022 4:14:32 GMT -5
/\ I think wind edits accounts. I saw one of his account being entitled "La vita degli animali selcatci" - Italian Enciclopedia. Selcatci is not an italian word, so he edited it.
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Jiren
Black bear
“Water can flow, or it can crash”.
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Post by Jiren on Jul 18, 2022 17:06:32 GMT -5
I Found a new account confirming Ramadan vs Parnell.
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Post by Gorilla king on Jul 18, 2022 18:17:38 GMT -5
I Found a new account confirming Ramadan vs Parnell.
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Post by arctozilla on Jul 25, 2022 8:55:20 GMT -5
I Found a new account confirming Ramadan vs Parnell. Can you show it? I'm interested. |
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Jiren
Black bear
“Water can flow, or it can crash”.
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Post by Jiren on Jul 25, 2022 15:13:17 GMT -5
I Found a new account confirming Ramadan vs Parnell. Can you show it? I'm interested. It’s hard to see, but it says Ramadan bested Parnell. ibb.co/ckv9bTv |
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Post by Gorilla king on Jul 26, 2022 4:06:14 GMT -5
Jiren And here is another one, here, like in all newspaper accounts about this event, it says the lion didn't die, it was just knocked out, but the bear still won. (Of course, the primary source, the book California grizzly states the lion died fast and this story is hanged in the wall of the California state capitol building)
BEAR WHIPPED LION
THE LION WAS CALLED "PARNELL"
BEAR WEIGHED ABOUT 700 LBS. HE WAS NOT A VICIOUS BRUTE.
"WITH A GRIP ALMOST LIKE A HALF NELSON, HE TOSSED PARNELL TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CAGE"
"THE BEAR WAS DECLARED THE VICTOR IN THAT CONTEST."
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Post by brobear on Jul 26, 2022 5:49:10 GMT -5
This is exactly why I deleted all of our huge collection of bear vs big cat face-offs in captivity. This highly advertised fight between the African lion Parnell and the California grizzly Ramadam was printed in dozens if not hundreds of newspapers all across America. Each news reporter gave it his own unique twist. A fight cannot have multiple endings. If we can't trust one newspaper story, especially from the 19th century and through to the mid-20th century, then we can't trust any of them. IMO, some are true, most are exaggerated, and others are pure fantasy. We have no way of discerning which are which.
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Jul 26, 2022 21:12:35 GMT -5
Regardless a 700 pound bear is too much for any lion.
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Post by arctozilla on Jul 28, 2022 12:39:14 GMT -5
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Jul 28, 2022 17:51:36 GMT -5
/\ What was the species, weight, gender, and size of the bear? That is the question.
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Post by arctozilla on Jul 28, 2022 17:58:37 GMT -5
It was a brown bear, I think.
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Post by Gorilla king on Jul 28, 2022 19:00:17 GMT -5
Reply #128:
From your last link:
"Apocryphal story" which means:
"Story of doubtful authenticity, although widely circulated as being true"
This says it all. Its also a religion source, like many lion accounts, therefore....pure crap.
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Jiren
Black bear
“Water can flow, or it can crash”.
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Post by Jiren on Jul 29, 2022 16:30:03 GMT -5
I saw this back in may 29, just didn’t say nothing. Also, the account is a metaphor or something like that. |
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Sept 6, 2022 19:15:48 GMT -5
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Sept 6, 2022 19:17:13 GMT -5
The first account of a lion and a sloth bear. It is an old account. Some may belief it some may not. But a hundred years from now, old accounts in 2020 will become outdated.
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Post by Gorilla king on Sept 6, 2022 20:19:54 GMT -5
The first account of a lion and a sloth bear. It is an old account. Some may belief it some may not. But a hundred years from now, old accounts in 2020 will become outdated.
Reply #6
beargorillarealm.proboards.com/post/3253/thread
And i posted it because IMO, i believe its one of the reliable lion killing/defeating bear accounts. The source is a newspaper. Its not from a fiction, bible, or humor source.
A young lion is definitely capable of killing a "big" sloth bear. |
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Sept 7, 2022 8:00:47 GMT -5
/\ Even an average African lion would outweigh a large male sloth bear. Therefore I am not surprise.
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Post by arctozilla on Sept 17, 2022 11:16:13 GMT -5
It is also not specified how much young the lion was. Maybe a maned male lion who wasn't dark maned yet.
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Post by arctozilla on Oct 23, 2022 6:25:42 GMT -5
Here's what the book specialist site ebooks has to say about Bear History of a Fallen King. Review: Pastoureau brings erudition and expertise to his subject as he traces how the bear was a venerated figure in pagan Europe, but dethroned as king of beasts by Christianity. He makes an important contribution by providing a long history of the bear, an animal whose symbolic importance is unknown by many. Readers will be treated to an elegant review of medieval history and theology, as well as informed discussions about the art on cave walls, the boundary between humans and animals in Greek myth, the philosophical foundations of natural history from Aristotle to Buffon, and a wealth of information about popular culture during the Middle Ages and Renaissance. (Matthew Senior, Oberlin College)” www.abebooks.com/9780674047822/Bear-History-Fallen-King-Pastoureau-0674047826/plp#reviewsNote it says he "traced" in "Pagan Europe". "Tracing" means discovering something through an investigation. And "Pagan Europe" means the Europe before christianisation, which includes of course the Roman Empire. That review was also made by Matthew Senior, professor of French culture of Yale University. www.oberlin.edu/matthew-seniorOpinions on this ? |
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 23, 2022 8:12:44 GMT -5
First of all, Look at the guy's biography:
Michel Pastoureau (born 17 June 1947) is a French professor of medieval history and an expert in Western symbology.
Pastoureau was born in Paris on 17 June 1947. He studied at the École Nationale des Chartes, a college for prospective archivists and librarians. After writing his 1972 thesis about heraldic bestiaries in the Middle Ages, he worked in the coins, medals and antiquities department of the Bibliothèque nationale de France until 1982.
Since 1983 he has held the Chair of History of Western Symbolism (Chaire d'histoire de la symbolique occidentale) and is a director of studies at the Sorbonne's École pratique des hautes études. He is an academician of the Académie internationale d'héraldique (International Academy of Heraldry) and vice-president of the Société française d'héraldique (French Heraldry Society). When he received an honorary doctorate from the University of Lausanne in 1996, he was described as an eminent scholar who has made a radical contribution to several disciplines.
Professor Pastoureau has published widely, including work on the history of colours, animals, symbols, and the knights of the Round Table. He has also written on emblems and heraldry, as well as sigillography and numismatics.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Pastoureau
This guy has the highest ranks in his proffesion, which is medieval history. Also:
Which means:
Eminent scholar means world-class, distinguished and established investigators recognized nationally for their research, achievements and ability to garner significant federal funding on an annual basis. Eminent scholars are recognized for their scientific knowledge and entrepreneurial spirit to enhance the innovative research that leads to economic gains. Eminent scholars are either members of or likely candidates for the national academy of sciences or other prominent national academic science organizations.
www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/eminent-scholar
So of course he made a trace and studied all of what he wrote in his book, a person with his accolades doesn't just write stuff out of his ass. You can be damn sure that out of all the historians that have made statements about animal vs animal in Rome, Pastoureau is by far the most reliable.
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