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Post by Montezuma on Aug 18, 2022 4:52:36 GMT -5
Here is a good proof that tigers even avoid hibernating adult male brown bears!Watch: Siberian Tiger Flees Cave of Sleeping Female Leopard (it says large tiger at the bottom)
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 18, 2022 5:05:52 GMT -5
"Brown Bears are the true and dominant kleptoparasites of Amur tigers".After seeing many sources of brown bear domination of tiger above, lets check out this aspect too. Tiger fans argue that tigers successfully mostly defend their kills against bear, but this topic would reveal the reality that brown bears not only chase away female/juvenile tigers but also ADULT MALE TIGERS! As we start from two renowned russian biologists Dale miquelle and Tkachenko stating that. So lets get started!According to biologists, Dale Miquelle and Tkachenko, even adult males are posed threat by brown bear weighing over 300 kg and dominate the food disputes.
www.researchgate.net/publication/313622177_Searching_for_the_Coexistence_Recipe_a_case_study_of_conflicts_between_people_and_tigers_in_the_Russian_Far_East
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 18, 2022 7:18:36 GMT -5
From Ivan seryodkin, leader of The siberian tiger Project.
“Despite the fact that his diet is dominated by food of plant origin, brown bear is the largest ground-based predator before the Far East. This beast is capable to obtain practically all form of the mammals: from the mouse-like rodent to the tiger myshevidnyh.”
“In the far of east are known the cases of the selection of victim by brown bearsin Amur tiger and leopard. In of the Sikhote-Alin preserve before 35% of cases of the victim of tiger they were obtained by the brown bear as a result of selection from owners. In this case the tigers departed bases on their victim entirely, or alternately divided them with the bear.”
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From WCS russia director, Dale miquelle.
"It is clear that brown bears reap greater benefit from the presence of tigers because tigers killed animals - a source of protein food for bears. Therefore, not surprisingly, bears commonly use this source, even if it requiresa direct clash with the tigers. Tigers, it seems to unable to prevent adult male brown away from their food”.
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Wow, a Huge brown bear displaced a male amur tiger from its boar kill, the tiger ran away without a fight. Interview from a hunter.
"In November that year I witnessed following event. Around the river started coming a brown bears, they didn't go to hibernation. One of them found a way how to eat tasty pork without making any hunting efforts. He got a tiger's traces. And so the tiger kills a boar than the bear comes, chase away the stripe and appropriate the carcass. And the traces of that bear were gigantic. Me and my friend both have choose size No 45 and we together placing our feet on the bear trace couldn't cover all the trace. Tiger without any fight gave up and go away."
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 19, 2022 19:37:02 GMT -5
From Amur tiger centre, that brown bears take away prey from tigers.  "Tigers are pure predators, as long as the bears' ration concists of meat only by 15%. Brute male bears, being stronger, sometimes can force tigers to give up their pray. Only once in 5 years during monitoring in the reserve Juravliny a case was fixed when tiger named Boris attacked a bear."
"These two giants of the Ussuri taiga rarely interact with each other, but nevertheless, sometimes they meet ... They are not direct competitors, therefore they rarely cross the road to each other - the tiger specializes in meat, and the bear has only 15% of animal food in the annual diet. But a bear can go to take away prey from a tiger, especially if the brown is a large male. He is not against eating elk, wild boar, wapiti ... And if, suddenly, the bear has filled up the prey, then the tiger is unlikely to go to take it away, since the bear will fiercely defend it. For 5 years of monitoring, which we have been conducting in the Zhuravliny reserve, we have recorded the only tiger hunt for a bear, the tiger Boris distinguished himself. But nevertheless, the brown bear is not the favorite prey of the tiger, he is very strong, agile and fast! Help the Center-".
Эти два гиганта Уссурийской тайги редко взаимодействуют друг с другом, но все же, иногда встречаются... Они не являются прямыми конкурентами, поэтому редко переходят дорогу друг другу - тигр специализируется на мясе, а у медведя в годовом рационе лишь 15% животной пищи.
Но медведь может пойти отнимать добычу у тигра, особенно, если бурый- крупный самец. Он не против полакомиться лосем, кабаном, изюбрем... А если ,вдруг, медведь завалил добычу, то тигр вряд ли пойдет её отнимать, так как медведь будет яростно защищать ее. За 5 лет мониторинга, который мы проводим в заказнике "Журавлиный", мы зафиксировали единственную охоту тигра на медведя, отличился тигр Борис. Но все же, бурый медведь не является излюбленной добычей тигра, уж очень он силен, проворен и быстр! Помочь Центру-
www.siberian-tiger.ru/ru/campaign/help-to-save
According to Kostoglod, Seryodkin, and other biologists; brown bears deliberately track tigers for usurping their kills.
www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303771254_Behavior_of_Brown_Bears_During_Feeding_in_the_Sikhote-Alin&ved=2ahUKEwjEldDCl9T5AhXKKewKHcDqDNYQFnoECB0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw20qvUgeh13fW6O2sa6R18V
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 19, 2022 19:44:41 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 19, 2022 19:47:10 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 19, 2022 20:01:01 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 19, 2022 20:03:40 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 19, 2022 20:08:59 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 19, 2022 20:53:22 GMT -5
"Animal experts favoring Brown Bears over tigers."There is a variety of animal experts like biologists, hunters, animal trainers and naturalists favoring brown bears over tigers. Here over +15 opinions from experts; and its a challenge to every fanboy to show more opinions from experts than these (we know they could not because most if not all experts favor bears over big cats in fair fights). Indeed, notably, the most famous animal experts like Cylde beatty, Theodore roosevelt, John valliant and Sysoev etc are bear favourers. No doubt, cat fans cannot face this variety, authenticity and quantity. Anyways, lets start with the most famous animal trainer of all time: Cylde beatty!CLYDE BEATTY-ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS ANIMAL TRAINERS OF ALL TIME, WHO STARTED TRAINING BEARS, THEN MIXED LIONS AND TIGERS, AND WITNESSED MANY FIGHTS IN HIS CAREER, SAID:-
"A BEAR OR A LION WILL WHIP A TIGER 9 OUT OF 10 TIMES."
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 19, 2022 20:55:46 GMT -5
FRANK BUCK-animal trainer-favoring The grizzly bear over a tiger or a lion at similar weight.
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 19, 2022 20:59:27 GMT -5
THEODORE ROOSEVELT-PRESIDENT, HUNTER, AND NATURALIST
"ANY ONE OF THE BIG BEARS WE KILLED ON THE MOUNTAINS WOULD, I SHOULD THINK, HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE SHORT WORK OF EITHER A LION OR A TIGER, FOR THE GRIZZLY IS GREATLY SUPERIOR IN BULK AND MUSCULAR POWER TO EITHER OF THE GREAT CATS".
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 19, 2022 21:03:11 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 19, 2022 21:06:50 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 19, 2022 21:11:16 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 19, 2022 21:21:11 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 19, 2022 21:57:22 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 19, 2022 22:07:37 GMT -5
Now here is from Russian biologists. Among them all, the best one is from biologist krechmar because he not only favours a LARGE BEAR OVER A LARGE TIGER, but also debunks the opposite claim by calling it "not even based on facts"! |
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 19, 2022 22:15:49 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 28, 2022 3:32:56 GMT -5
"Adult male Brown bears are never killed by tigers in history. Period"!It is a well known fact that the statement "there is no confirmed case of adult male brown bear killed by tiger" is totally true since scientists never recognized these unauthentic cases. The proof is below."THE LARGE USSURI VARIETY DOES NOT FLINCH EVEN BEFORE A TIGER. IT IS STRONGER AND MORE ENDURING THAN THE LATTER”.
books.google.com.pk/books?id=fl0mAQAAMAAJ&q=Shatun+bears+hunt+tigers&dq=Shatun+bears+hunt+tigers&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y
From Dale miquelle, an amur tiger authority. He does not know any of the 4 cases.
"I also dont know of a case where an adult male brown bear has been killed by a tiger".
Even the Amur tigercentre, an organisation dedicated to tiger studies, does not even know any of the case.
So anyone who think those unauthentic accounts as true is no more than a fantansy.
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