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Post by tyrannosaurs on Oct 15, 2021 12:37:51 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 19, 2021 13:04:19 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Oct 19, 2021 17:44:33 GMT -5
Reply #164: Try to remind me that if i posted this in the face off pictures in the domain of the bears first time? |
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Post by Montezuma on Oct 19, 2021 17:46:08 GMT -5
Reply #161: You know that what would be the final photo of this fight. If the tiger is lucky, so it would escape. If the tiger was not lucky, he would be dead and partially eaten by the bear. |
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Post by oldcyansilverback on Oct 19, 2021 17:51:04 GMT -5
Reply #164: Try to remind me that if i posted this in the face off pictures in the domain of the bears first time? I have no idea. Sorry. |
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 19, 2021 17:58:10 GMT -5
Reply #166: You know that what would be the final photo of this fight. If the tiger is lucky, so it would escape. If the tiger was not lucky, he would be dead and partially eaten by the bear. |
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Post by Montezuma on Oct 19, 2021 18:03:46 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 19, 2021 18:31:46 GMT -5
Reply #166, good find there Montezuma. Yes its a tigress, but 75+ % of what tiger fans post are female bears so, what gives? Lmao. Every account needs to be posted, even females and subadults.
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Post by Montezuma on Oct 19, 2021 18:34:09 GMT -5
Reply #171, goos find there Montezuma. Yes its a tigress, but 75+% of what tiger fans post are female bears so, what gives? Lmao. Every account needs to be posted, even females and subadults. We have two confirmed cases of adult male tigers been killed by bears but they do not have a single account of a adult male brown bear killed by tiger. Thats the main difference. |
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Post by Jiren on Oct 20, 2021 7:54:47 GMT -5
Reply #171, goos find there Montezuma. Yes its a tigress, but 75+% of what tiger fans post are female bears so, what gives? Lmao. Every account needs to be posted, even females and subadults. We have two confirmed cases of adult male tigers been killed by bears but they do not have a single account of a adult male brown bear killed by tiger. Thats the main difference. g What are the two cases? Name them please |
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 20, 2021 9:02:23 GMT -5
Wildlife conservation society, (WCS Russia), The Siberian Tiger project chapter 19:
12 KNOWN CASES OF BROWN BEARS KILLING AND EATING TIGERS IN THE WILD, INCLUDING 6 ADULTS. (WE KNOW FROM OTHER RESEARCH THAT 2 WERE YOUNG ADULT MALES OF AROUND 4 YEARS OLD)
(THE ACCOUNT REPORTED BY (SYSOEV, 1960) IS A 4 YEAR OLD YOUNG ADULT MALE)
drive.google.com/file/d/10afDwfyao6HMoeBOGhQw4RRkapammvOz/view?usp=drivesdk
AND HERE IS THE OTHER ADULT MALE:
ACCOUNT REPORTED BY BIOLOGIST N.N. RUKOVSKY OF A VERY LARGE BROWN BEAR THAT KILLED AND ATE A 4 YEAR OLD MALE TIGER IN A FIERCE AND PROLONGED BATTLE:
"Мне известен случай, когда в год неурожая кедровых орехов, желудей и ягод в Сихотэ-Алинском заповеднике на реке Туныиа бурый медведь убил и съел тигра. По следам и оставшемуся черепу тигра я определил, что медведь был очень крупный, а тигр молодой, примерно четырехлетний. По вытоптанному хищниками снегу, сломанным стволам пихт (каждая из которых почти в руку толщиной), крови, клочкам шерсти можно было заключить, что борьба была жестокой и продолжительной."
"I know of a case when a brown bear killed and ate a tiger in the Sikhote-Alin Nature Reserve on the Tunia River in a year of poor harvest of pine nuts, acorns and berries. From the tracks and the remaining skull of the tiger, I determined that the bear was very large, and the tiger was young, about four years old. From the snow trampled by predators, the broken trunks of fir (each of which is almost as thick as an arm), blood, and scraps of wool, one could conclude that the struggle was fierce and prolonged."
redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_163473856123313&key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&libId=kuzky26j0102ylrr000ML3ykwp4ke&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fbeargorillarealm.proboards.com%2Fthread%2F2%2Fbears-defeat-tigers-accounts%3Fpage%3D2&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Fpiterhunt.ru%2FLibrary%2Frukovskiy%2Fpo_sledam_lesnih_zverey%2F9.htm&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fbeargorillarealm.proboards.com%2Fboard%2F1%2Fgeneral-discussion&title=Bears%20kill%20or%20defeat%20tigers%20accounts%20%7C%20Bear%20and%20Gorilla%20realm&txt=piterhunt.ru%2FLibrary%2Frukovskiy%2Fpo_sledam_lesnih_zverey%2F9.htm
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Post by oldcyansilverback on Oct 20, 2021 9:25:07 GMT -5
Just wondering why there has not been accounts of bears killing tigers for a long time. I believe the account above but I am just wondering.
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 20, 2021 9:33:56 GMT -5
Just wondering why there has not been accounts of bears killing tigers for a long time. I believe the account above but I am just wondering. |
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Post by oldcyansilverback on Oct 20, 2021 9:56:38 GMT -5
Just wondering why there has not been accounts of bears killing tigers for a long time. I believe the account above but I am just wondering. I remember that. I should have more specifically ask why there are no male tigers killed recently? Don't get me wrong, I am 100% sure a male Ussuri brown bear can kill a male siberian tiger. Just wondering why it has not been happening recently. |
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 20, 2021 10:02:35 GMT -5
Well, the last accounts i believe were from the year 2000, where 2 adult tigresses were killed. I remember that. I should have more specifically ask why there are no male tigers killed recently? |
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 20, 2021 11:36:40 GMT -5
Population and Habitat of the Amur Tiger in the Russian Far East
Abstract
In the beginning of 19th century, the range (areal) of Panthera tigris altaica included the forest part of the Korean Peninsula, the northern provinces of China, and the left bank of the Amur River in Russia and approached Transbaikalia and Yakutia. By the late 1930s, the number of tigers in Russia had decreased to 20–30 individuals. Protections against hunting (1947), the entrapment of tiger cubs (1965), and a lack of a market for tiger derivatives contributed to growth in tiger numbers. By the 1960s, the tiger population in Russia had increased to 100–110 individuals. According to a count in 1970, the population of tigers had reached 140–150 individuals. At this point in time, the range covered the forest territory of Primorsky Krai and southern Khabarovsky Krai. The last two total counts (1995–96 and 2004–05) revealed a further increase in the numbers to 450–500 animals and a range of 156,000 km2. The latest recordings have confirmed the maximum numbers of tigers in the Sikhote-Alin and Lazovsky reserves and adjacent territories. However, the small areas of the reserves and their territorial separation preclude the maintenance of or increases in the population to or beyond 400–500 adult animals, which in genetic terms, would ensure the long-term conservation of the tiger. Further conservation of the region requires the assignment of two protective zones of 45,000–50,000 km2 with centres in the Sikhote-Alin and Lazovsky reserves. Within these protective zones, economic development involving any type of forest felling or ungulate hunting should be fully prohibited. The creation of protective zones is the only route to preserving the natural complex of the Sikhote-Alin, including the Amur tiger in Russia.
www.researchgate.net/publication/276076055_Population_and_Habitat_of_the_Amur_Tiger_in_the_Russian_Far_East
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Post by Jiren on Oct 20, 2021 13:36:44 GMT -5
Wildlife conservation society, (WCS Russia), The Siberian Tiger project chapter 19:
12 KNOWN CASES OF BROWN BEARS KILLING AND EATING TIGERS IN THE WILD, INCLUDING 6 ADULTS. (WE KNOW FROM OTHER RESEARCH THAT 2 WERE YOUNG ADULT MALES OF AROUND 4 YEARS OLD)
(THE ACCOUNT REPORTED BY (SYSOEV, 1960) IS A 4 YEAR OLD YOUNG ADULT MALE)
drive.google.com/file/d/10afDwfyao6HMoeBOGhQw4RRkapammvOz/view?usp=drivesdk
AND HERE IS THE OTHER ADULT MALE:
ACCOUNT REPORTED BY BIOLOGIST N.N. RUKOVSKY OF A VERY LARGE BROWN BEAR THAT KILLED AND ATE A 4 YEAR OLD MALE TIGER IN A FIERCE AND PROLONGED BATTLE:
"Мне известен случай, когда в год неурожая кедровых орехов, желудей и ягод в Сихотэ-Алинском заповеднике на реке Туныиа бурый медведь убил и съел тигра. По следам и оставшемуся черепу тигра я определил, что медведь был очень крупный, а тигр молодой, примерно четырехлетний. По вытоптанному хищниками снегу, сломанным стволам пихт (каждая из которых почти в руку толщиной), крови, клочкам шерсти можно было заключить, что борьба была жестокой и продолжительной."
"I know of a case when a brown bear killed and ate a tiger in the Sikhote-Alin Nature Reserve on the Tunia River in a year of poor harvest of pine nuts, acorns and berries. From the tracks and the remaining skull of the tiger, I determined that the bear was very large, and the tiger was young, about four years old. From the snow trampled by predators, the broken trunks of fir (each of which is almost as thick as an arm), blood, and scraps of wool, one could conclude that the struggle was fierce and prolonged."
redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_163473856123313&key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&libId=kuzky26j0102ylrr000ML3ykwp4ke&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fbeargorillarealm.proboards.com%2Fthread%2F2%2Fbears-defeat-tigers-accounts%3Fpage%3D2&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Fpiterhunt.ru%2FLibrary%2Frukovskiy%2Fpo_sledam_lesnih_zverey%2F9.htm&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fbeargorillarealm.proboards.com%2Fboard%2F1%2Fgeneral-discussion&title=Bears%20kill%20or%20defeat%20tigers%20accounts%20%7C%20Bear%20and%20Gorilla%20realm&txt=piterhunt.ru%2FLibrary%2Frukovskiy%2Fpo_sledam_lesnih_zverey%2F9.htm
Is he a Russian biologist or naturalist, either way he still favors the bear |
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 20, 2021 13:43:32 GMT -5
Biologist. I dont know if he favors the bear, but he just reported that event.
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Post by Jiren on Oct 20, 2021 15:03:45 GMT -5
Biologist. I dont know if he favors the bear, but he just reported that event. I thought syseov favored the bear tho? |
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 20, 2021 15:36:47 GMT -5
Biologist. I dont know if he favors the bear, but he just reported that event. I thought syseov favored the bear tho?
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