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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 4, 2022 16:14:17 GMT -5
There are 21 confirmed cases of bears killing tigers in the wild, all of them from peer reviewed studies. Now, there are 5 cases of tigers supposedly killing adult male brown bears, 3 historical cases and 2 recent ones, all 5 cases are unconfirmed as they are not part of peer reviewed studies.
In general, when there is a case of a tiger killing an adult male brown bear, everyone doubts it, why? Because bears are much heavier, stronger, and better grapplers than tigers. So for the poor ass tigers fans, unfortunately for them, no one believes it. On the other hand, most people believe the accounts of bears killing tigers, both in the wild and in captivity, why? For the same reason, bears are much heavier, stronger, and better grapplers than tigers.
As for this last case is concerned, even though its not confirmed as its not part of a peer reviewed study, an adult male tiger (because his front paw width is 10 cm), could have killed an adult male Ussuri brown bear (18 cm front paw width), it could have very well happened. Having said that i will argue for 2 very important things:
#1) Shatun bear, sick/weak/starving/freezing bear.
#2) By ambush of course.
Because even if there was a "long fight", this would just show how strong adult male brown bears are, that even being sick/weak/starving/freezing, and even being ambushed, it still gave a long battle. All this needs to be understood, its not just about a tiger killing an adult male brown bear and that's it, all these details above need to be taken into consideration.
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Post by brobear on Dec 5, 2022 0:39:10 GMT -5
I agree with Omen. Most likely, the tiger found the carcass of a dead brown bear. Simple as that.
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 5, 2022 13:08:16 GMT -5
So i can see that everyone thinks this is a scavenging event, and you all might not be wrong. The thing is that it would be great to know what "traces" they saw to state that it was a serious fight and they fought for a long time.
"Judging by the traces, the fight here unfolded serious. The animals fought for a long time, but the tiger still won. He didn't get hurt. Such a conclusion can be drawn due to the absence of bloody stains at the place of his lying down - that is, rest, which we found next to the half-eaten bear carcass. It is likely that the tiger will return here later to continue eating for a few more days, - said Yuri Kya, chief engineer for forest protection and forestry activities of the Bolshekhekhtsirsky Reserve."
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Post by brobear on Dec 6, 2022 0:15:35 GMT -5
My thoughts; the men who happened upon the old frozen bear carcass were basically working-class individuals. This by no means says that they are unintelligent, but that they are not professional in assessing a kill site. I doubt that there was a "Daniel Boone/Davy Crockett in the bunch who could read old tracks in the snow. I even doubt the measurements of the bear tracks.
In my opinion, the bear died where the carcass was found. He was possibly killed by a bigger bear or died from a hunter's bullet. Even more likely, he was a shatun bear who died from starvation and freezing. The carcass was discovered by numerous scavengers including one big male tiger. There was a lot of activity in the area surround the carcass and the men misread the signs.
As for the newspaper headlines, I believe that theundertaker45 nailed it (quote): Surely a headline with the words "Tiger kills huge brown bear" gets more views than "Brown bear carcass scavenged by a variety of predators".
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 6, 2022 1:42:59 GMT -5
My opinion about this topic is thats is very vague, unconfirmed and is no more than speculation. We can contact khabrovsk exlerts via email from here: www.zapovedamur.ru/contacts |
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 6, 2022 5:54:03 GMT -5
My opinion about this topic is thats is very vague, unconfirmed and is no more than speculation. We can contact khabrovsk exlerts via email from here: www.zapovedamur.ru/contacts
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 9, 2022 13:32:51 GMT -5
Great point from Warsaw:
"One of the best clues to determine if a track is fresh is to look for clearly defined edges. Wind, rain and time all wash away tracks, and they'll become less visible the more time passes. That's why looking for tracks after a heavy rain or fresh snow is a sure way to know that any tracks you see are likely fresh ones."
"So ,The snow cover in the southern territory has already reached 30 centimeters ,but the bear foot print is fresh ones?Maybe this is footprint of different(big male) bear,who killed the smaller* one."
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Post by Jiren on Dec 9, 2022 13:45:58 GMT -5
"Among animals, an adult tiger has no enemies. Only very rare cases are known when he died from wounds inflicted on him by a cleaver boar, buffalo or brown bear, who were defending against his attack." animalkingdom.su/books/item/f00/ ... t031.shtml Posted by boogeyman. Wouldn’t this mean adult male tigers have been killed. |
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 9, 2022 14:48:45 GMT -5
"Among animals, an adult tiger has no enemies. Only very rare cases are known when he died from wounds inflicted on him by a cleaver boar, buffalo or brown bear, who were defending against his attack." animalkingdom.su/books/item/f00/ ... t031.shtml Posted by boogeyman. Wouldn’t this mean adult male tigers have been killed. You might be right, but we arn't sure. And there is nothing new to this statement. We know, neither adult bears or lions have natural enemies among animals too. Remember, that Batalov and Baikov told that "adult bears have almost no enemies in wild". |
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 9, 2022 14:59:17 GMT -5
"Among animals, an adult tiger has no enemies. Only very rare cases are known when he died from wounds inflicted on him by a cleaver boar, buffalo or brown bear, who were defending against his attack." animalkingdom.su/books/item/f00/ ... t031.shtml Posted by boogeyman. Wouldn’t this mean adult male tigers have been killed. |
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Post by arctozilla on Dec 9, 2022 15:03:00 GMT -5
Reply #568 as usual ML gets destroyed by his own accounts. The reason why tigers have no enemies is because Ussuri brown bears are mostly omnivorous so they're not real competitors. However they should be dangerous prey to be avoided, similarly to leopard and gorilla interactions.
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Post by Jiren on Dec 10, 2022 10:43:17 GMT -5
Remember:
Amur tigers have no natural enemies but it is dangerous for them to tackle old wild boars or adult male brown bears, which are likely to come off best in such encounters. (1993).
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Post by brobear on Dec 10, 2022 11:01:21 GMT -5
Remember: Amur tigers have no natural enemies but it is dangerous for them to tackle old wild boars or adult male brown bears, which are likely to come off best in such encounters. (1993). A very good and accurate quote which I remember reading before. Does anyone remember the biologist that stated this? |
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 10, 2022 11:05:05 GMT -5
Remember: Amur tigers have no natural enemies but it is dangerous for them to tackle old wild boars or adult male brown bears, which are likely to come off best in such encounters. (1993). A very good and accurate quote which I remember reading before. Does anyone remember the biologist that stated this? Well, thats a very great point bro. You just hit that right on the point. Here it is, beargorillarealm.proboards.com/post/5424/threadWe know every trick of tiger kids. |
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Post by Jiren on Dec 10, 2022 12:26:03 GMT -5
Remember: Amur tigers have no natural enemies but it is dangerous for them to tackle old wild boars or adult male brown bears, which are likely to come off best in such encounters. (1993). A very good and accurate quote which I remember reading before. Does anyone remember the biologist that stated this? Not sure, it was from a book about peer reviewed studies in Siberia. So it’s reliable. |
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Post by Jiren on Dec 12, 2022 11:32:29 GMT -5
reeper says: “More recent evidence has now confirmed that even young, inexperienced juvenile tigers prey on adult bears, and kill adult brown bears. A young, 2-year old tiger named 'Boris' hunted and killed an adult brown bear. ( First-hand info from the scientists and biologists ) Tiger Boris remained on the territory of the Amur Region. He repeatedly made forays into the Jewish Autonomous Region, but regularly returned to the place of release. Hoofed prey was not a problem for him. Once a case of hunting an adult brown bear was recorded. redirect.viglink.com/?key=1d0a9169974733270509e03a2a9b5eb3&subId=3193388&u=http%3A//tiger.sevin-expedition.ru/news/news_144.html”Brobear made a great argument against this on Carnivora. The tiger was never statues to kill the bear. He was HUNTING (following perhaps). www.google.com/amp/s/daydaynews.cc/en/housepet/amp/1740018.html“Boris may have a tendency to kill bears. In addition to shooting black bears, he also does not let go of brown bears. In 2018, Boris killed a 149kg female brown bear; in 2020, Boris killed another 200kg brown bear.” 149KG is a young bear. 200KG is a female. Which is also supported by Misha’s account (similar-sized bears when he was 205/6KG). This tiger is a beast. “However, when it comes to killing bears, Boris is still inferior to a Siberian tiger named "Dell". Dell weighs 206 kilograms and is really a "bear killer". He has killed at least 4 adult female brown bears, 2 A little brown bear and 6 black bears.” This is Dale I think. 206KG was a rounded/estimated weight. Nothing new. “Two young beasts scuffled in the virgin forest and started a life-and-death struggle. In the end, the superior Boris defeated the little black bear, but he was also seriously injured by the bear's paw. And the little black bear unfortunately became Boris's delicacy because of his overreach.” So an Adult male tiger was severely by a little black bear? 2015 he was 2. In 2020, he was in his prime. “It is said that a brown bear came to attack Svetraya just after giving birth. Boria stepped forward to fight the brown bear. During the battle, the brown bear slapped it with its bear paw. Boris was almost killed by the brown bear. When Svetraya rushed up, the two tigers drove the brown bear away together.” So a brown bear one-shotted a enraged adult male tiger. Question is, is that is this article reliable? |
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 12, 2022 13:21:23 GMT -5
Didn't Oldgreengrolar find that article some time ago?
Reply #425:
beargorillarealm.proboards.com/post/5774/thread
And its like basically every other account in the debating world, since it favors the bear, most bear fans will believe it, while most tiger fans wont believe it. Same shit with the accounts that favor tiger, most tiger fans believe them while most beat fans dont. Am just trying to be as honest as possible, this is how debates work. So for absolutely every account, you can choose to believe them or not. So as to this account is concerned, screw tiger fans, i will choose to believe it, the adult male tiger almost got killed by a brown bear with a swipe.
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Post by Jiren on Dec 12, 2022 14:41:31 GMT -5
Didn't Oldgreengrolar find that article some time ago?
Reply #425:
beargorillarealm.proboards.com/post/5774/thread
And its like basically every other account in the debating world, since it favors the bear, most bear fans will believe it, while most tiger fans wont believe it. Same shit with the accounts that favor tiger, most tiger fans believe them while most beat fans dont. Am just trying to be as honest as possible, this is how debates work. So for absolutely every account, you can choose to believe them or not. So as to this account is concerned, screw tiger fans, i will choose to believe it, the adult male tiger almost got killed by a brown bear with a swipe.
Yeah, I was just giving my take tho. |
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 12, 2022 15:00:52 GMT -5
Didn't Oldgreengrolar find that article some time ago?
Reply #425:
beargorillarealm.proboards.com/post/5774/thread
And its like basically every other account in the debating world, since it favors the bear, most bear fans will believe it, while most tiger fans wont believe it. Same shit with the accounts that favor tiger, most tiger fans believe them while most beat fans dont. Am just trying to be as honest as possible, this is how debates work. So for absolutely every account, you can choose to believe them or not. So as to this account is concerned, screw tiger fans, i will choose to believe it, the adult male tiger almost got killed by a brown bear with a swipe.
Yeah, I was just giving my take tho. |
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 12, 2022 16:12:51 GMT -5
Did you guys noticed something about reports? Sometimes, according to biologists, a tiger kills a female brown bear without any trouble but in others, tigers start to get problems even killing little black bears? Just see the new report of Odyr killing that bear. Those examiner first say that the tiger killed that large brown bear without being injuried. But, in the ending lines of the report they said that a black bear above 3 years can give a serious fight to a tiger? "The tiger confidently defeats the Himalayan bear until the age of three."
What does such things mean? Tigers easily defeat big bears but struggle against little bears? Lmao. Thats very funny if we consider.
About that report, my claim is just similar to that of brobear that this story has many holes in it.
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