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Post by arctozilla on Oct 17, 2022 7:22:27 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 17, 2022 7:40:22 GMT -5
Reply #540:
Very nice find. Ivan Bogachev sounds like a veteran hunter, that's inside the link. Another source stating Amur tigers avoid adult male brown bears. Awesome.
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 19, 2022 17:15:01 GMT -5
USSURI BROWN BEAR AND AMUR TIGER:
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Post by Gorilla king on Nov 29, 2022 11:54:33 GMT -5
So the little tiger fan-boy strikes again at Wildfact:
wildfact.com/forum/topic-on-the-edge-of-extinction-a-the-tiger-panthera-tigris?pid=181111#pid181111
Credits to Nyers.
New account of an Amur tiger that killed a large adult male brown bear
Brutal fight to the death: Amur tiger killed and ate a brown bear in a nature reserve near Khabarovsk
Remains of the large male brown bear killed and eaten by the male tiger 'Odyr': (November 29, 2022)
Here is the translated version:
www-hab-kp-ru.translate.goog/daily/27477/4684605/?fromrss=582&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=es-419&_x_tr_pto=wapp
So lets analyze this new report. The tiger fan-fag, of course, wont tell you none of these below:
#1): Its late November, so its a "Shatun bear", this is a sick/weak/freezing brown bear. So when a tiger kills a "Shatun" bear, its not a big deal, but when a "Shatun" bear kills a tiger, its more of an accomplishment, and we have 1 account of this happening.
#2): The animals fought for a long time, but the tiger still won"
So the bear was sick/weak/freezing and the "fight" still lasted for a long time? Damn, what a weak tiger, lmao.
#3): Doesn't say how the fight started, so obviously, we automatically assume it was by ambush, which is how the tiger always attacks. So again, not only was this a "Shatun" bear, but it was most likely already hurt because of the initial ambush, and the fight still lasted for a long time, this says alot.
#4): "Most often, the victims of the striped were one-year-old individuals. The tiger confidently defeats the Himalayan bear until the age of three."
So Amur tigers kill brown bears until 1 year old? Nice. And black bears until age of 3? Subadult black bears, this doesn't speak very good of tigers.
#5) this report of course, its not from a peer reviewed scientific study. Same as the Batalov report.
So as we can see, we still have no confirmed account of an Amur tiger killing a healthy adult male brown bear in a face to face fight.
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Post by arctozilla on Nov 29, 2022 13:20:05 GMT -5
How do you know that it wasn't peer reviewed?
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Post by Gorilla king on Nov 29, 2022 13:28:13 GMT -5
How do you know that it wasn't peer reviewed? Inviato dal mio 21061119DG utilizzando Tapatalk
beargorillarealm.proboards.com/thread/152/siberian-tiger-project-wcs-russia |
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Post by Montezuma on Nov 29, 2022 16:11:30 GMT -5
/\ Just another tigerbaby fans news.
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Jiren
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Post by Jiren on Nov 29, 2022 16:23:41 GMT -5
Unconfirmed.
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Post by brobear on Nov 30, 2022 3:12:50 GMT -5
How do you know that it wasn't peer reviewed? Inviato dal mio 21061119DG utilizzando Tapatalk The story was told to some local newspaper by Yuri Kya, chief engineer for forest protection and forestry activities. Engineer; probably has the job of maintaining equipment. Sounds to me like no biologists or any type of wildlife officials were involved. Also note; Newspaper headlines: 'Brutal fight to the death: Amur tiger killed and ate a brown bear in a nature reserve near Khabarovsk'... quite the dramatic newspaper headlines you would expect to create sensationalism to sell newspapers. This story is unconfirmed. The source is highly questionable. There is a high possibility that the tiger merely found and fed upon the frozen remains of a starved shatun bear. It doesn't seem likely to me that a tiger who previously only ambushed one year-old brown bears and moon bears up to the age of three would suddenly decide to ambush a large adult male brown bear, unless the bear was half-dead already. Also note: An impressive size bear (the width of the callus of the front paw is 18 centimeters - 7.09 inches wide. Big but not huge. |
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Post by Gorilla king on Nov 30, 2022 4:52:04 GMT -5
I think they are talking about tigers in general, i dont think they mean that this same tiger killed other brown bears or black bears, but am not sure.
Also, by "Himalayan bear" they mean Ussuri black bear, this two subspecies get confused all the time, Himalayan black bears only go North to Russia in the Summer, Russia is not a permanent habitat.
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 2, 2022 10:26:08 GMT -5
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Post by Jiren on Dec 2, 2022 12:39:05 GMT -5
Good point. But we can’t be too sure.
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Post by Jiren on Dec 2, 2022 12:39:17 GMT -5
I don’t really care about the debate as much, but here’s my take.
18 centimeters.
“https://web.archive.org/web/20130825212443/http://www.lasy.gov.pl/zakladki/aktualnosci/mis_bircza
Translation via depl
The twenty-year-old Bieszczady bear, which died at the beginning of May in a fight for a female, will be displayed in the Educational Room of the "Birczańskie Forests" Promotion Complex in the Bircza Forest District. Such a decision was made by the Minister of the Environment, who gave permission for the predator to be prepared.
Photo: T. Hare ©
On the night of May 4-5, near Skorodne (Lipie Forest District, Lutowska Forest District), two male bears fought. One of the rivals was killed. The dead animal, lying in the creek, was found by forest workers and reported to Marek Bajda, the forester. The Carpathian Fauna Research Station of the Museum and the Institute of Zoology of the Polish Academy of Sciences in Ustrzyki Dolne was also notified - its employee, Dr. Roman Gula, made an on-site inspection. Their results left no doubt - the bear was killed in a fight for a female by a younger competitor. This is also supported by the fact that currently there is a swarm in these predators. The analysis of traces allowed to establish that the encounter above the clash took place above the creek, near the old hives. Then there was a fight, the weaker one escaped and after about 100 meters of chase, the winner killed his prey by breaking his left hind leg and pulling a 0.5 x 0.5 meter slice of skin on his left side. Extensive haematomas and emaciated muscles were found. This is the first such case on our territory.
The killed bear was in poor condition; it was emaciated, with defects in its dentition. However, its dimensions must be respected. It was 210 cm long along its back, weighing 225 kg, and had a neck circumference of 90 cm. Dimensions of the back paw: length 27 cm and width 16.5 cm. Front paw: length 17 cm, width 16.5 cm.
Currently there are 26 bears living in the Lutowiska Forest Inspectorate, and over 100 in the Krosno RDSF forests.”
So the bear is mostly likely 220-230kg. (Though this bear is emaciated).
Any better examples please post.
Anyway, not one time was it stated to be a male. Just an “impressive size”.
I’m not sure if it’s confirmed or not, they just say the tiger may have killed the bear due to that fact it often prefers to walk in this area of the reserve. But I’m probably wrong.
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 2, 2022 13:10:24 GMT -5
Good point. But we can’t be too sure.
The “shatun” bear (a non-hibernating vagrant bear) finds a denned bear, kills and eats it. We have recorded three cases of a “shatun” bear cannibalizing a bear sleeping in a den. In years of crop failure of primary fattening foods the “shatun” bears appear in large areas. Among “shatun” bears observed in Yakutia, females with yearlings are absent; apparently the result of the death of their cubs. By the end of November the “shatuns” disappear; they die of exhaustion or freeze. Yakutia literature describes cases of four brown bears dying from exhaustion and frostbite. No periodicity has been determined for the appearance of the “shatuns.” For instance, in 2001, the “shatuns” were observed only in the Kolyma river basin.
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 2, 2022 13:18:38 GMT -5
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Post by Jiren on Dec 4, 2022 11:41:07 GMT -5
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Post by Jiren on Dec 4, 2022 12:07:41 GMT -5
Definitely a connecting rod bear. Warsaw also posted some sources about this. The bear in the video is a connecting rod bear, shatun maybe. There are zero traces of fur and blood. All we see are bear prints. It kinda looks like 10 centimeters. (I think they say it too). ibb.co/DrcMKHz Pablo, you’re Russian right? Can’t you translate? |
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 4, 2022 12:40:32 GMT -5
I was born in Russia, but left when i was 6 months old, i barely know Russian, only the basics. But use the youtube translator.
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Post by arctozilla on Dec 4, 2022 13:45:42 GMT -5
Are you that's a bear track? It kinda looks more of a tiger track to me.
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Post by Jiren on Dec 4, 2022 14:14:36 GMT -5
Are you that's a bear track? It kinda looks more of a tiger track to me. Inviato dal mio 21061119DG utilizzando Tapatalk Yep. That was a tiger footprint, not a bear. That’s my fault. I still think it may be a shatun. No drops of blood or fur at all. No way a battle ensued. I’m thinking it’s a scavenging event. |
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