Jiren
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Post by Jiren on Dec 13, 2022 11:31:57 GMT -5
Dima kills the first bear.
“I jumped down to examine the carcass and immediately noted a single, bloody hole in her neck that was clearly an entry wound. Her tracks showed that she had ambled along the base of the embankment and seemed to suddenly fall down dead, with no sign of the struggle one would expect from a huge tiger killing a bear nearly his own size. I concluded the bear had been shot and Dima just took advantage of a free meal, but why hadn’t the hunter claimed such a valuable prize? Then I turned the bear over to inspect the exit would. To my surprise, I found two more entry wounds! I revised my conclusion — Dima had leapt from the bank onto the bear, dispatching her with a single bite to the nape of her neck, almost before she was even aware of his presence (one of his canine teeth had broken prior to our capturing him, hence only three bite wounds). The power and skill required to do that was unimaginable. I collected some samples and vacated the area, hoping Dima would return to finish his meal, which he did, though it took him several days to devour such a large animal. “
What do you guys think.
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 13, 2022 14:55:28 GMT -5
Reasonable. An adult male tiger killing an adult female brown bear almost his own size by ambush.
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 13, 2022 15:13:53 GMT -5
After some thinking, i have concluded a great point about this new report. That is that it sound just like this unconfirmed report.
m.timesofindia.com/city/bareilly/dudhwa-tiger-may-have-been-killed-by-huge-sloth-bear-officials/amp_articleshow/68912576.cms
Now just note the similarities here. In that russian report, examiners "suggest" and in this indian report the biologists also "suggest".
"Experts suggest that the tiger Odyr killed the bear. The male most often prefers to walk in this area of the reserve."
“The nature of injuries on the neck and head of the tiger suggest they may have been caused during an attack by a sloth bear,” said DTR field director Ramesh Pandey."
Both arn't quite sure but they just gave their thought.
In the russian report, the examiers thought that the tiger Odyr killed it by seeing the marks on snow; and in the indian report the biologists thought that the male tiger was killed by a sloth bear by seeing the attack marks on the face and neck that looked like bear marks.
"Judging by the traces, the fight here unfolded serious. The animals fought for a long time, but the tiger still won."
"The injuries were caused by a large powerful animal, possibly a carnivore. Such injuries can also be caused by a sloth bear because it has strong claws and can inflict serious injuries on a tiger."
Now, just see the similarities. Both victims real dead in not known and the killer is only assumed by the marks on ground or body. Are they confirmed? Well, we know the answer. As we can see that both reports description are nearly similar. If the slothbear-tiger is unconfirmed so is the tiger-brownbear one. And tiger fans think that the tiger-brownbear report is confirmed, so they should also accept this slothbear-tiger report too.
Its very simple and logical. Since we all bear euthanists call the sloth bear killing tiger report as unconfirmed, so we can that tiger killing brown bear as unconfirmed report too. We have a basic and simple reason for that.
What do you guys think?
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Jiren
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Post by Jiren on Dec 13, 2022 15:34:36 GMT -5
After some thinking, i have concluded a great point about this new report. That is that it sound just like this unconfirmed report.
m.timesofindia.com/city/bareilly/dudhwa-tiger-may-have-been-killed-by-huge-sloth-bear-officials/amp_articleshow/68912576.cms
Now just note the similarities here. In that russian report, examiners "suggest" and in this indian report the biologists also "suggest".
"Experts suggest that the tiger Odyr killed the bear. The male most often prefers to walk in this area of the reserve."
“The nature of injuries on the neck and head of the tiger suggest they may have been caused during an attack by a sloth bear,” said DTR field director Ramesh Pandey."
Both arn't quite sure but they just gave their thought.
In the russian report, the examiers thought that the tiger Odyr killed it by seeing the marks on snow; and in the indian report the biologists thought that the male tiger was killed by a sloth bear by seeing the attack marks on the face and neck that looked like bear marks.
"Judging by the traces, the fight here unfolded serious. The animals fought for a long time, but the tiger still won."
"The injuries were caused by a large powerful animal, possibly a carnivore. Such injuries can also be caused by a sloth bear because it has strong claws and can inflict serious injuries on a tiger."
Now, just see the similarities. Both victims real dead in not known and the killer is only assumed by the marks on ground or body. Are they confirmed? Well, we know the answer. As we can see that both reports description are nearly similar. If the slothbear-tiger is unconfirmed so is the tiger-brownbear one. And tiger fans think that the tiger-brownbear report is confirmed, so they should also accept this slothbear-tiger report too.
Its very simple and logical. Since we all bear euthanists call the sloth bear killing tiger report as unconfirmed, so we can that tiger killing brown bear as unconfirmed report too. We have a basic and simple reason for that.
What do you guys think? I don’t know man. Here’s my review: The bear has three entry wounds, which are gunshot wounds. Suggesting it was shot, but John thought that wasn’t the case because the hunter didn’t “claim his prize”. He didn’t actually see the fight, but his anylasis sounds reasonable. There were no signs of a fight. The tracks show that the bear was on the base of the embankment, and she fell down dead. Either she was shot (entry wounds) or the tiger ambushed her, because the tracks show she fell down. He came to a conclusion that Dima killed the bear. |
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 13, 2022 15:41:59 GMT -5
@jiren No bro. You got me wrong. I am not talking about Dima's report. I am disscusing about that november event where the bear of 18cm was thought to be killed by the tiger. About that Dima killing the adult female brown bear case, i am done. We all know she was ambushed and wad smaller than the male tiger. Leave that case bro. There is no need to discuss that further.  |
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Post by Jiren on Dec 13, 2022 15:54:46 GMT -5
@jiren No bro. You got me wrong. I am not talking about Dima's report. I am disscusing about that november event where the bear of 18cm was thought to be killed by the tiger. About that Dima killing the adult female brown bear case, i am done. We all know she was ambushed and wad smaller than the male tiger. Leave that case bro. There is no need to discuss that further. Okay. |
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 13, 2022 17:08:09 GMT -5
Not only did the hunter didn't claim his prize, but how about the tiger only having 3 canine teeth? The bear had 3 holes or entry wounds in her neck, too much coincidence.
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Post by Jiren on Dec 14, 2022 16:37:06 GMT -5
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Post by oldcyansilverback on Dec 15, 2022 2:48:49 GMT -5
/\ At equal weights, the brown bears are mainly female and subadults but some of the smaller males can also overlap with the Amur tiger in weights. Remember, there are dwafts and giants among animals just as midgets and giants exist among humans.
A Californian grizzly is Kodiak bear size and weight approximately.
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Post by brobear on Dec 15, 2022 10:06:14 GMT -5
At weight-parity, a fight between a brown bear and a lion or a tiger is highly debatable. The big cat would have a significant HB length and bipedal height advantage. domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/1413/equal-head-length-weight-parity?page=1 When we debate one species vs another so as to determine which species is superior to the other in terms of fighting; the objective is not to give them each an even chance. What would that prove? The objective is rather, at equal size, in a fair comparison, who is the bigger and stronger of the two; among other advantages. To compare them at equal HB length, measured in a straight line, which is completely fair considering that they each have a similar skeleton consisting of an equal number of vertebrete, ribs, etc., how could it not be fair? This does not mean that they are evenly matched. The whole idea is discover which animal has what advantages. At equal HB length, the bear proves to be far superior in terms of girth, which provides greater weight, strength, and durability. On the other hand, the cat's more slender frame provides greater speed, agility, and his "dog legs" provide greater leaping ability. Comparing the big cat to the bear at equal HB length clearly shines a light on which Carnivoran has the greater girth. Isn't this the whole idea of a wild animal face-off, to see which is superior and which is inferior? In a weight-parity contest, the weaker animal is merely upsized so as to give him a fighting chance. That goes against the purpose of the face-off. *Equal head-and-body length is the only fair way for a completely fair face-off. The only other option for a completely fair face-off is a face-off between an average size individual of each species. Interestingly, the average full-grown male Amur tiger and the average full-grown male Ussuri brown bear are coincidentally at equal HB length. It must be remembered that nature rarely provides a fair fight. Either choice will usually leave one animal badly outmatched by the other. But then; that is the objective... to see which animal is the "top dog". *Note: I will edit and add: At most wild animal face-off sites, their objective is to provide what they consider an evenly matched contest. This is why they usually choose weight-parity. But, this choice goes against discovering which species truly is the superior fighter or to what degree. When we compare two animals at equal HB length, we are putting a spotlight on the truth. At HB length-parity, the animal with the greater girth becomes crystal clear. The differences become obvious. When comparing a bear with a cat, it becomes clear who is the stronger of the two. This type of comparison is completely fair and honest. |
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Post by Jiren on Dec 15, 2022 16:38:06 GMT -5
“MONITORING, SURVEY, UTILIZATION AND THREATS TO THE POPULATIONS OF ASIATIC BLACK BEAR AND BROWN BEAR IN SIKHOTE-ALIN
Pikunov D.G., Seryodkin I.V.
Ежегодный прирост в популяции бурых медведей примерно 38%, а естественная гибель 25-30% (Юдин, 1993). Главной естественной причиной их гибели является хищничество тигра.
The annual increase in the population of brown bears is approximately 38%, and natural mortality is 25-30% (Yudin, 1993). The main natural cause of their death is the predation of the tiger."
I accept this source, but what is this supposed to prove? Tigers are the only animal (in the taiga) that prey on bears. Not surprising.
“Annual increase” which shows that the tiger predation is not reducing the bears number/heavily affecting it in anyway shape or form, at best it maybe regulates it (Sergey Arameliv, 2020).
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Jiren
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Post by Jiren on Dec 16, 2022 21:40:19 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 17, 2022 13:00:35 GMT -5
“Annual increase” which shows that the tiger predation is not reducing the bears number/heavily affecting it in anyway shape or form, at best it maybe regulates it (Sergey Arameliv, 2020). Can you show link to this phrase please? Warsaw on carnivora greatly debuncked this post. He showed sources that the number of bears in Amur region are increase along with the increasing number of tigers which shows bear numbers arn't negatively effected. Further, i do not agree that tiger is the "main natural threat" to bears since they occasionally hunt bears. As warsaw showed, the greatest threat to bears are illegial poaching and still bears are hunted in Russian Far east. See reply#66, 71, 72, 73, 76, 77 and 79 domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/1477/tiger-killing-bears-accounts-analysisReply#591, great find bro. |
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Post by Jiren on Dec 17, 2022 13:27:30 GMT -5
“Annual increase” which shows that the tiger predation is not reducing the bears number/heavily affecting it in anyway shape or form, at best it maybe regulates it (Sergey Arameliv, 2020). Can you show link to this phrase please? Warsaw on carnivora greatly debuncked this post. He showed sources that the number of bears in Amur region are increase along with the increasing number of tigers which shows bear numbers arn't negatively effected. Further, i do not agree that tiger is the "main natural threat" to bears since they occasionally hunt bears. As warsaw showed, the greatest threat to bears are illegial poaching and still bears are hunted in Russian Far east. See reply#66, 71, 72, 73, 76, 77 and 79 domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/1477/tiger-killing-bears-accounts-analysisReply#591, great find bro. Yeah, Boogeyman posted it. “It is also important that the tiger regulates the number of other predators - wolves, bears and others who fall under its paw. - commented Sergey Aramilev , general director of the Amur Tiger Center.” amur-tiger.ru/ru/press_center/news/1460/ |
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Post by Jiren on Dec 17, 2022 16:36:05 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Dec 17, 2022 17:05:08 GMT -5
Imo, a young three year old tiger can be foolish, like a young teenage boy (sexually mature but still a boy). The young tiger might make foolish choices, like trying to defend a carcass from an adult male brown bear. A more mature tiger would have relinquished his kill over to the bear. |
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 17, 2022 18:23:35 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 17, 2022 18:38:00 GMT -5
JirenThe link takes you to a blank page.
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Jiren
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Post by Jiren on Dec 17, 2022 18:47:41 GMT -5
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Post by oldcyansilverback on Dec 18, 2022 6:26:07 GMT -5
/\ I already saw the account on the Domain . |
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