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Post by Gorilla king on Nov 4, 2021 17:13:13 GMT -5
So one of the worst disadvantages that gorillas are known for is their "thin skin" that would be sliced thru easily by claws. Well, maybe this is not really a fact after all:
Book, Explorations and Adventures in Equatorial Africa, with Accounts of the Manners and Customs of the People, and of the Chase of the Gorilla, the Crocodile, Leopard, Elephant, Hippopotamus, and Other Animals.
Author: Paul Belloni Du Chaillu, French-American traveler, zoologist, and anthropologist. He became famous in the 1860s as the first modern European outsider to confirm the existence of gorillas:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Du_Chaillu
"THE SKIN IS THICK AND FIRM AS AN OX-HIDE"
books.google.com/books?id=IlIMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA401&dq=Gorillas+have+thick+skin&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjf842A0P_zAhUCTN8KHcW5DiMQ6AF6BAgJEAM
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Post by fluffyfatbear on Nov 4, 2021 17:27:05 GMT -5
Reply #87: Interesting indeed! Although I remember a picture of an ox with a hole carved into it by a grizzly, so brown bear claws can fairly easily penetrate gorilla skin
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Post by Gorilla king on Nov 4, 2021 17:39:38 GMT -5
Yeah, still though, if a gorilla's skin is as thick and firm as an ox, its still much better than having "human-like" skin that everyone thinks it has. It would give it more protection.
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Post by Gorilla king on Nov 4, 2021 18:13:20 GMT -5
From reply #87, Paul Belloni Du Chaillu's statements carry alot of weight as he was the “African” Zoologist who became known as the first modern European to confirm the existence of gorillas:
kentakepage.com/paul-belloni-du-chaillu-the-africa-zoologist/
Drawing of Du Chaillu at close quarters with a gorilla
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Post by Gorilla king on Nov 21, 2021 13:15:16 GMT -5
This hasn't been posted in this thread yet, this is the only known captive account between a gorilla and a leopard. I consider this to be the best account in favor of the leopard as it was a face to face fight that lasted 2 1/2 hours, the leopard tore off the gorilla's right arm.
Having said this, i really never noticed or paid attention to the weights listed, the leopard was 185 lbs, and the gorilla was 312 lbs, so unless this was a below-average/small silverback (which means he was badly feed in captivity), this was most likely a blackback gorilla, not a silverback. The smallest gorilla subspecies, the Mountain gorilla averages 357 lbs:
Reply #2:
beargorillarealm.proboards.com/post/46/thread
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Post by arctozilla on Nov 21, 2021 13:30:12 GMT -5
/\ great debunking. Cat fanatics (not like @no cap) always misinform online like parasites.
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Post by Gorilla king on Nov 21, 2021 13:35:48 GMT -5
/\ great debunking. Cat fanatics (not like @no cap) always misinform online like parasites. Thanks, but am not really "debunking" it, i just posted it because it was never posted here before, to show both sides. (The wild accounts of leopards killing gorillas have already been posted in this thread). Anyhow, its not like am debunking it, am just pointing out what the own accounts says, that the gorilla was just 312 lbs, so this would make it a Blackback (subadult), not a silverback. Because i have seen people say its a silverback, well, the weight proves them wrong (unless it was an underfeed small Silverback). But like i said above, its still a good account in favor of the leopard.
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Nov 24, 2021 7:21:07 GMT -5
I personally don’t believe in debunking accounts either. It is how we interpret them.
Back to topic, the gorilla’s skin is probably thicker than expected.
The parts of human bodies with scars are the toughest part of our skin.
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Post by Gorilla king on Nov 24, 2021 8:25:02 GMT -5
Exactly mate. Because if its about "debunking", then absolutely all the accounts in this debate have been "debunked", an am talking about the accounts the favor bears, lions, and tigers, there are threads "debunking" all of them. Anyone can find a little detail to try to downgrade the accounts, the most common is lack of info, like sex and age of the animals. The best thing to do, like you said, is to try to interpret them. Some of the lion side for example, are from religion sources, so that's out. Polar bears you already know also. Most of the others are fine although 1 account states the bear was suffering from rheumatism, so that greatly downgrades that account.
As for this account above at reply #115, we dont even have to interpret it because the weight of the gorilla is right there, 312 lbs, that would be a blackback. The leopard was 185 lbs, so an adult male leopard killed a subadult male gorilla in a 2 1/2 hour fight, and like i said above, am not "debunking" as i even said i consider it the best account on the leopard side because it was a head on fight, and the gorilla's arm was tore off (i do have to say though that this detail could be exaggerated, same as lions killing bears with "one blow" and same a bears decapitating moose with "one swipe), see? i say there are exaggerated details in accounts even favoring bears.
So yeah, for most people "debunking" just means that they are trying to prove that the animal killed was not an adult male, well in this case, it was really simple as the gorilla's weight is stated right there. Its just that i myself dont call it "debunking", i just call it "pointing it out".
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Post by arctozilla on Nov 24, 2021 16:27:18 GMT -5
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Post by fluffyfatbear on Nov 25, 2021 1:45:26 GMT -5
GUERILLEH WINS! 💪🦍
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Post by Gorilla king on Dec 6, 2021 21:40:49 GMT -5
Looks like i was right all along, as far as i know, i am the only one who mentions this advantage, am talking about the fact that the gorilla's long arms can keep the enemy at a distance, and now its a confirmed reality:
Book, Demonic Males, Apes and the Origins of Human Violence
Author, Richard Walter Wrangham, English anthropologist and primatologist
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wrangham
"Apes can fight with their fists because they have adapted to hanging from their arms, which means that their arms can swing all around their shoulders, the shoulder joint being a flexible multidirectional joint. So chimpanzees and gorillas often hit with their fists when they fight, and they can keep most canine-flashing opponents at bay because their arms are long. If chimpanzees and gorillas find punching effective, then surely the woodland apes, who were standing up high on hind legs, would had fought even better with their arms."
books.google.com/books?id=fP0c4b3jbMYC&pg=PA180&dq=So+chimpanzees+and+gorillas+often+hit+with+their+fists+when+they+fight
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Post by Gorilla king on Jan 3, 2022 17:55:58 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Jan 25, 2022 13:39:57 GMT -5
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Jan 28, 2022 5:33:01 GMT -5
Well, a silverback gorilla is too big for a leopard in a fair fight. Still there are at least four gorilla subspecies right?
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Post by Gorilla king on Jan 28, 2022 8:19:14 GMT -5
Well, a silverback gorilla is too big for a leopard in a fair fight. Still there are at least four gorilla subspecies right? And all four subspecies are much larger than leopards.
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Post by Gorilla king on Jan 30, 2022 17:23:43 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Feb 1, 2022 1:34:13 GMT -5
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Post by fluffyfatbear on Feb 4, 2022 16:19:35 GMT -5
No way in hell a leopard is gonna kill a gorilla 3 times it’s weight in a fight. It’s like saying a lynx can kill an UFC fighter
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Post by Gorilla king on Apr 11, 2022 17:10:36 GMT -5
DOCUMENTARY SHOWS HOW LEOPARDS ARE SCARED SHIT TO ATTACK GORILLAS WHEN THEY ARE DISCOVERED:
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