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Post by Montezuma on Apr 22, 2022 20:42:11 GMT -5
Bears, since ancient times, have been revered and worshipped by many humans leading sometimes to bear worship and bear festival in many cultures. However, modern evidence shows that bear cult traces back from prehistoric times in europe. That bear was the Gaint Cave Bear. Abd, in this thread we would look the cult, rituals and worship of the Cave Bear. Ii dedicate this thread to our bear leader brobear .  Prehistoric european people doing ritual burial of cave bear head and skulls.
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 22, 2022 20:48:08 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 22, 2022 21:10:37 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 22, 2022 21:23:23 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 22, 2022 21:29:40 GMT -5
"Neanderthal man had sacred shrines of ‘Master Bear’, with bear skulls and bones often interred with human skulls (Cooper, 1992)."
"In southern France there are several representations of cave bears from the Aurignacion, but later French Magdalenian pictures only brown bears. The drawings, which are claimed to show erotic symbolism, may indicate that “…Man of the Aurignac period was as well as Man of the Madeleine period connected religious and cultic conceptions with the Cave Bear, and, after its extinction, with the brown bear…” (Abel, 1934). Strange composite animals portrayed at Les Trois Freres include bears with heads of wolves and at Montespan a dying sacrificial bear with holes (Grazioli, 1960)."
"In Drachenloch Cave near Vattis, Tamina Valley, in Switzerland, several stone chests each containing 4 or 5 bear skulls, all pointing in the same direction, were found (Matheson, 1942), and similar material was found at Petershohle in south Germany, and at Drachenshohle near Mixnitz in Austria. These were explained by Abel (1934) as representing “…skull and long bone sacrifices of Mousterian hunters, which must have been connected with their religious conceptions.”
ericwedwards.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/bear-cults-and-bear-worship/
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 22, 2022 21:36:48 GMT -5
"Bear cults and worship is known as arctolatry which may have been a feature of the supposed religion of the Neanderthals of the middle Palaeolithic (Wunn, 2000). Collections of bear bones have been cited as evidence of a bear cult by the Neanderthals at Drachenloch in Switzerland. Some evidence has been claimed for several different caves. Examples include the assumed deliberate arrangement of bear skulls in caves, and niches within caves. Some evidence cites cave excavations where have been found accumulations, burnt cave bear remains, broken bear bones, and skulls on slabs of rock or in niches (Kurten, 1976). A similar phenomenon is cited for Regrurdou in southern France and Basua Cave in Savona, Italy (Campbell, 1996) for pits containing bear bones. For many archaeologists and anthropologists the concepts “…of cave bear worship during the early and middle Palaeolithic period belong to the realm of legend.” (Wunn, 2001)"
ericwedwards.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/bear-cults-and-bear-worship/
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 22, 2022 23:51:13 GMT -5
Cave bear excavation and their birth of mythologies
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 23, 2022 0:26:13 GMT -5
"Some collections of cave bear remains suggest that Neanderthal man may have worshipped these animals. At Drachenlock, in Switzerland, a stone chest, believed to have been built by Neanderthals, was discovered with cave bear skulls stacked upon it. At the cave entrance there were seven bear skulls arranged with their snouts facing outward, and deeper in the cave there were six more bear skulls in niches along the wall. The skull of a three-year-old bear with its cheek pierced by the leg bone of another bear, the supposed symbol of the cult of the cave bear, was also found in this cave."
"In Regourdou, southern France. A rectangular pit, covered by a stone slab, was found to contain the remains of at least twenty bears. The remains of a Neanderthal lay nearby in another stone pit, with various objects, including a bear humerus (arm bone), a scraper, a stone core, and some stone flakes, which were interpreted as grave offerings."
uwaterloo.ca/wat-on-earth/news/cave-bear-skeleton-donated-earth-sciences-museum
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Post by Gorilla king on Apr 23, 2022 7:41:44 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Apr 23, 2022 7:44:16 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 24, 2022 20:13:52 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Apr 27, 2022 1:39:26 GMT -5
The oldest evidence of reverence to the bear: domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/507/original-king-beasts?page=1 Continued.... The oldest trace of the symbolic ties between man and bear seems to date from approximately 80,000 years ago in Perigord, in the cave of Regourdou, where a Neanderthal grave is connected to the grave of a brown bear under a single slab between two blocks of stone, thereby indicating the special status of the animal. We have preserved no certain trace, either archeological or anthropological, of the animal's prior relations with the Neanderthals; we can only try to imagine them on the basis of a few collections of skulls and bones in alpine caves, and venture the hypothesis that the bear may have already have been seen in the Middle Paleolithic as an animal apart. However, there is no evidence to establish that these collections were deposited by men. Beginning with the Upper Paleolithic, approximately 30,000 years ago, evidence becomes more plentiful and solid, showing how in some regions and in certain periods men and bears inhabited the same territories, frequented the same caves, hunted the same prey, struggled against the same dangers, and probably had both economic and symbolic relations with one another. For that period, everything seems to confirm that the bear was no longer considered an animal like other animals, that it occupied a special place between the worlds of beasts and men, and that it may have served as a mediator with the beyond. Does this mean that it is legitimate to say there was a prehistoric cult of the bear, practiced in several regions of the northern hemisphere in the Paleolithic period? The question provoked, and continues to provoke, passionate controversy among prehistorians. |
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Post by Gorilla king on Apr 27, 2022 6:20:25 GMT -5
Reply #11:
Notice it says "brown bear", however, i believe that Pastoureau might had made a mistake and he really meant a cave bear. It is not likely to be the Steppe brown bear at the Regourdou cave.
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Post by brobear on May 8, 2022 19:48:40 GMT -5
Reply #11:
Notice it says "brown bear", however, i believe that Pastoureau might had made a mistake and he really meant a cave bear. It is not likely to be the Steppe brown bear at the Regourdou cave. No, I don't think so. Both the Neanderthal and the Cro-Magnon people admired or perhaps worshipped both the cave bear and the brown bear. But, since the cave bears preferred natural caves whereas brown bear usually dug their own dens, more cave bear relics are discovered. |
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Post by oldcyansilverback on May 9, 2022 2:34:13 GMT -5
/\ Interesting reminder. There is some info on the Domain which says some brown bears have cave bear genes in them. The cave bear lives on  . |
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Post by Gorilla king on May 9, 2022 6:08:07 GMT -5
/\ Interesting reminder. There is some info on the Domain which says some brown bears have cave bear genes in them. The cave bear lives on  .
www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4804903
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Post by Montezuma on May 28, 2022 21:49:10 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 13, 2022 23:04:41 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on May 11, 2024 9:38:57 GMT -5
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Post by oldcyansilverback on May 12, 2024 1:10:44 GMT -5
Reply 15. Which includes the Ussuri brown bear as well . |
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