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Post by brobear on Jan 7, 2022 11:29:08 GMT -5
The Amur tiger and the Ussuri brown bear are the only brown bear and big cat populations found within the same environment. Coincidentally, this tiger subspecies and this brown bear subspecies happen to be ( for typical full-grown male specimens ) roughly equal in HB length. Of these two members of the order Carnivora, which one has the greater girth? Which is heavier? Which of the two is stronger.
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Post by Gorilla king on Jan 7, 2022 11:33:40 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Jan 7, 2022 11:49:54 GMT -5
Heavier? We know who is heavier.
Girth? Neck girth, chest girth, skull measurements, limbs measurements, all the data is there and clear, the bear by far.
Stronger? At same weight its debatible, at average weights and beyond its not.
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Post by brobear on Jan 7, 2022 12:28:12 GMT -5
Heavier? We know who is heavier.
Girth? Neck girth, chest girth, skull measurements, limbs measurements, all the data is there and clear, the bear by far.
Stronger? At same weight its debatible, at average weights and beyond its not.The post reads: The Amur tiger and the Ussuri brown bear are the only brown bear and big cat populations found within the same environment. Coincidentally, this tiger subspecies and this brown bear subspecies happen to be ( for typical full-grown male specimens ) roughly equal in HB length. Of these two members of the order Carnivora, which one has the greater girth? Which is heavier? Which of the two is stronger. *Equal HB length, which is not only the most fair way to compare them, but the Amur tiger and Ussuri brown bear are perfect examples of this.
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Post by Gorilla king on Jan 7, 2022 12:40:41 GMT -5
Well, here you have basically the same HB length, they are at average weights. (From a more recent study we know the Ussuri brown bear 9+, averages 286 kg), but at least here you can see some metrics at same HB length.
HB length:
Ussuri brown bear-196 cm Amur tiger-195 cm
Weight:
Ussuri brown bear-270 kg Amur tiger-190 kg
Chest girth:
Ussuri brown bear-137 cm Amur tiger-123 cm
Shoulder height:
Ussuri brown bear-115 cm Amur tiger-94 cm
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Post by brobear on Jan 7, 2022 12:55:32 GMT -5
Putting this in American English: HB Length: Ussuri brown bear - 6 feet 5 inches. / Amur tiger - 6 feet 5 inches. Weight: Ussuri brown bear - 595 pounds / Amur tiger - 419 pounds. Chest Girth: Ussuri brown bear - 4 feet 6 inches / Amur tiger - 4 feet 1 inch. Shoulder Height: Ussuri brown bear - 3 feet 9 inches / Amur tiger - 3 feet 1 inch. ( and yes, we know that this so-called average adult bear includes bears as young as 5 years old ). Still, the difference here is 176 pounds.
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Post by Gorilla king on Jan 7, 2022 15:29:33 GMT -5
Not the Ussuri brown bear but still some more girth comparisons:
Regarding neck girth, here is the Yellowstone Grizzly bear, as we can see, most age classes have much less head and body length than the Amur tiger which averages 195 cm (column A), but the neck girth of basically all age classes is alot more (column D). Also, the bear has more average head length in the most age classes. As for the head width, the Amur tiger chart doesn't have info on that, but going by the "skull" thread, we can see bears have wider skulls, this is very clear.
Yellowstone adult male grizzly bear, age classes 9 to 22, neck girth 68 cm to 91 cm (some age classes have just 1 single specimen). But even the 3 year olds and up have an average neck girth of 67.4 cm and more: (more than the average for Amur tigers):
Average head length of adult males 9+ years old, 43 to 46 cm:
TSTP-male Amur tiger average neck girth-65 cm, range 57-76 cm.
Male Amur tiger average head length-43 cm, range 37-48 cm.
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Post by Gorilla king on Jan 11, 2022 21:41:35 GMT -5
1877-Here are the measurements of a historical 495 lb tiger, this specimen was around 20 lbs heavier than average, its neck circumference was 2 feet, 8 inches (81.28 cm), still less than modern Yellowstone grizzly bears (1975-1985) which had an average neck circumference of 87 to 91 cm in the age classes 9-22 as seen in the chart above at reply #6:
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Post by Gorilla king on Jan 13, 2022 11:10:57 GMT -5
Asiatic full grown male lion
HB length (without tail)- 5 feet 11 inches.
Shoulder height- 3 feet 4 inches.
Neck girth- 2 feet 6 inches (76.2 cm)
Chest girth- 4 feet 1 inch (124.46 cm)
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Post by Gorilla king on Jan 13, 2022 11:32:52 GMT -5
Ok so, as we can clearly see by all this data above, full grown lions have more HB length and more shoulder height than full grown Yellowstone grizzly bears, yet they have less neck girth and less chest girth. So we can clearly see that bears are much superior to tigers/lions in the girth department. And just to highlight, we are comparing (from all the charts and data above), Siberian tigers and Asiatic lions with Yellowstone grizzlies, you can just imagine the larger brown bear subspecies.
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Jiren
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Post by Jiren on Jan 14, 2022 18:31:13 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Jan 14, 2022 18:42:49 GMT -5
Reply #10, great find there:
This is equal to 96.52 cm, to get an idea how massive Kodiak bears are, compare this young adult male to the 91 cm average for the Yellowstone grizzlies of age classes 20 and 22 (reply #6). And of course, the Yellowstone grizzly has already more neck circumference than tigers and lions. Difference this time is that this young Kodiak has even more head and body lenght than both tigers and lions (not including the cat's tails), unlike the Yellowstone grizzly. And more shoulder height.
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Post by Jiren on Jan 14, 2022 19:15:29 GMT -5
Reply #10, great find there:This is equal to 96.52 cm, to get an idea how massive Kodiak bears are, compare this young adult male to the 91 cm average for the Yellowstone grizzlies of age classes 20 and 22 (reply #6). And of course, the Yellowstone grizzly has already more neck circumference than tigers and lions. Difference this time is that this young Kodiak has even more head and body lenght than both tigers and lions (not including the cat's tails), unlike the Yellowstone grizzly. And more shoulder height. Holy shit you’re right. Kodiak’s are absolutely overkill.
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Jan 21, 2022 5:43:00 GMT -5
/\ Kodiak bears will always be the largest of the brown bears. Six year old kodiak ears are not even full grown.
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Post by Gorilla king on Apr 23, 2022 19:32:59 GMT -5
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Aug 2, 2022 4:25:53 GMT -5
/\ Alaskan brown bears are larger than all brown bears except the Kodiak bear. I has quite a thick neck and chest girth.
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Post by brobear on Aug 5, 2022 1:49:16 GMT -5
Exploring Grizzly Bears with Casey Anderson This has already been posted more than once, but I consider this as perhaps the best example we have to demonstrate the awesome strength of a grizzly: mytakeontv.wordpress.com/2009/05/16/exploring-grizzly-bears-with-casey-anderson/ What is something that you learned in spending the year with Grizzlies that has affected your daily life going forward? Insight from Brutus: if it is physically possible, then it is done. If not, it isn’t. After weighing a boulder in at one ton, we used a tractor to lift it to place a piece of salmon under it. Soon after, Brutus caught the scent of the salmon and walked to the boulder. In one swift move, he pushed the boulder to the side and happily devoured the salmon. It dawned on me as I stood next to my friend: he doesn’t worry much; he is not handicapped by his mind. If his body isn’t capable of doing it, then that is his only limitation. He does not sit there and contemplate, or make excuses; he just does all he can. Then goes and takes a nap in the sunshine. How great would it be if we could all live that way?
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Post by arctozilla on Aug 5, 2022 2:23:03 GMT -5
/\ Casey Anderson is also a naturalist and an animal trainer.
A tiger and lion would never roll a boulder like that as they're unable to use their upper body weight unlike apes and bears.
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Post by Gorilla king on Mar 13, 2023 10:56:12 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 13, 2023 11:08:34 GMT -5
A picture is worth a thousand words.
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