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Post by Montezuma on Aug 8, 2022 0:50:48 GMT -5
Brown bears dominate wolves just like they dominate tigers. Lets me show you a logical example.
"There are many recorded fights between wolves and bears (just like the documented bear and tiger fights), in which the bears that are killed are young and female bears killed by large wolf packs (as adult male tigers killed young and female bears); yet there is no case of adult male brown bear killed by even the largest wolf pack (which is also true against tiger as no male bear is even killed by tiger is recorded) so it shows that brown beads are not dominated by wolves or tigers."
"Wolves try to avoid adult male brown bears and do not mess with them showing the brown bear's dominance (tigers also completely avoid adult male brown bears) however the brown bear shows his true dominance by tracking and usurping wolf kills no matter how big is the wolf's pack (similarily brown bears dominate tigers in kill disputes no matter of what age or gender the tiger is)."
So i can clearly see that simple logic and reasoning shows that in wild adult male brown bears generally dominate tigers in the same way as they do with wolf packs.
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 8, 2022 0:52:07 GMT -5
Here is a comparison between an adult black, adult tiger and adult brown bear. As the picture shows that the brown bear is nearly equal to tiger in length but the bear is more robust, heavier and broader than the tiger.💪💪 
To be honest, the brown bears looks scary!
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Post by Gorilla king on Aug 8, 2022 2:45:14 GMT -5
Reply #501
Nice comparison picture bro! Yeah, the brown bear looks way more robust, like double, its clear who is stronger. From a picture, you cant really see who is taller by a few centimeters, because they are not standing exactly the same. But at averages, the Ussuri brown bear is taller by around 1 cm, never mind the larger specimens.
Head and body length:
Ussuri brown bear-196 cm
Amur tiger-195 cm
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Post by oldcyansilverback on Aug 8, 2022 4:40:47 GMT -5
Not much difference in length from the chart but the Ussuri brown bear is heavier.
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 8, 2022 4:59:48 GMT -5
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Post by oldcyansilverback on Aug 16, 2022 4:43:54 GMT -5
For now I will be staying away from the topic on Russian Far East unless I find new information. Will be more focus on the polar bears for now.
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Post by oldcyansilverback on Sept 2, 2022 5:25:15 GMT -5
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Post by oldcyansilverback on Sept 4, 2022 6:44:13 GMT -5
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Post by oldcyansilverback on Sept 4, 2022 6:45:35 GMT -5
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Post by oldcyansilverback on Sept 4, 2022 6:45:59 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Sept 4, 2022 7:19:21 GMT -5
Replies #507 and #508
Those comparisons were made by a Chinese hardcore tiger fan, dont trust the accuracy too much. I think ill stick with Theundertaker's comparison, look at the difference, seems more accurate:
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Post by arctozilla on Sept 4, 2022 8:51:49 GMT -5
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Post by oldcyansilverback on Sept 4, 2022 14:55:21 GMT -5
Reply 510. In reply 507, the polar bear is probably an 880 pound male polar bear compared to a 600 pound male tiger. I prefer Undertaker’s comparison where the polar bear is two to three times the weight of an Amur tiger.
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Post by brobear on Sept 12, 2022 7:19:21 GMT -5
This is probably very near accurate, but not with an Ussuri brown bear. This is probably right on the money - Amur tiger vs Montana grizzly. What is completely inaccurate, no tiger is going to go face-to-face with a full-grown male grizzly. Suicide for the big cat. |
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Post by brobear on Sept 12, 2022 7:23:25 GMT -5
When we watch kittens at play (any cat species), they are instinctively ambushing each other. When bear cubs play, they wrestle. Play is practice for real adult life.
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Post by Montezuma on Sept 20, 2022 20:39:44 GMT -5
Email reply from Yuliya Femonko, an researcher in Russian Far East. I asked her about that if a 210 kg and 250kg tiger and brown bear collide, so who would win? And here is her reply:- Hello,
"In the wild tigers weighting 210 kg practically do not exist (if they are not fed in McDonalds!) As a rule, a a big male tiger that live in the Russian Far East weights about 180 kilograms. There are brown bears of 250 kilograms and even more no battles between big tigers and big brown bears were registered so far. A bear is usual Amur tiger prey and sometimes bears compose up to 20% in the tiger ration. As a rule, these are pretty young bears up to 2-3 years old weighting up to 100 kilograms.
"I think that the reals conflicts between big tigers and big bear happen just to demonstrate their status and not their force as the animals very clearly understand the threat of getting injured even if the wound could be not too serious. There are no hospitals and vets in the wild."
Therefore, the question who will win 250 or 210 is not correct for the wild environment.
The answers were provided by Pavel Fomenko, tiger expert from WWF.
Thanks a lot for your interest!
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Post by Gorilla king on Sept 21, 2022 5:37:19 GMT -5
That's correct, coincides with what we already know. Those are cubs and subadults.
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Post by oldcyansilverback on Sept 21, 2022 23:00:21 GMT -5
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Post by oldcyansilverback on Sept 21, 2022 23:22:29 GMT -5
 From the same link above. |
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Post by Gorilla king on Sept 22, 2022 7:13:43 GMT -5
Same as the Email we have from Dale Miquelle stating that there are no adult male brown bears killed by tigers.
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