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Post by Montezuma on Mar 11, 2022 19:17:32 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Mar 11, 2022 19:29:03 GMT -5
We will, however, only see the bear importance in native cultures. The reader, if wants, can read the whole article as given in the link, by own as it is interesting. So lets start,
"The biggest festival related to the Andean bears is the Qoll'yri R'it'i, the biggest native andean pilgrimage in which main characters are the ukukus, or bear-man, which are though to be creatures that melt the mountain snow into water for humans to ensure the fertility of the Crops."
"This Festival is pre-Columbian in Origins. It is celebrated on the emergence of the Constellation Pleadies. The ukukus are the mediators between the nature and cultures, childhood and adulthood, chaos and order, heavens and earth, and animals and humans". "The water has a symbolic importance as the connector of heavens and earth for the natives. So spectacled bear is very important symbolically as they are associated with water and on the Festival, Qolly'ri R'it'i, Bolivia, men dress like bears and carry water with them."
"Bears very associated with masculine sex as they were thought to be raper of girls and were sexualy assualt young women from the fields. The Girl would sometimes accept the bear as a incarnate of a god, making sure fertility after marriage. The natives in peru and bolivia, often dress as bears representing and fearing them as supernatural beings who fell love with young women."
www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/238400109_A_god_forsaken_The_sacred_bear_in_Andean_iconography_and_cosmology&ved=2ahUKEwidzKSIv7_2AhUJuRoKHZZOBAsQFnoECAkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3RAVYPh5lSemBY-0wnqGT4
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Post by Montezuma on Mar 11, 2022 19:53:04 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Mar 11, 2022 20:04:11 GMT -5
"Garcilaso tells that the indians worshipped Spectacled bears, cougars and jaguars for gaining teir strength and would throw themselves on ground to be eaten by the animals."
"Father Jose de Acosta provudes the similar case that the indians performed certain spectacled bear rituals so the bear would not harm them and give them their strength."
"Monk Antonio tell that the native indians worshipped the cougars, jaguars, serpents and Bears, in which the bolivian Tomebamba people as bear worshippers."
"Alvi describes that the natives had a sacred place called Lloclayhuan Cupay, associated to bears."
"Choque Chinay is the constellation in with puma and jaguars are head of other things while bears are head of generations."
"Guaman tells that the bears along with pumas and jaguars were present in the nine animals before earth creation, thus giving bear a cosmological representation."
"The bear can also have been seen to have more reverence as Randall tells that the Huaylla Hunsia, the seer-prophet of the Last sapa inca was a ukuku in a bear-skin, who with the sapa inca mediated between the Quechua and the Spanish connecting future, god and man."
"There are atleast three spanish croniclers telling that bears raping young women is factual in which the bear raped that and the girls did'nt tried to stop them."
www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/238400109_A_god_forsaken_The_sacred_bear_in_Andean_iconography_and_cosmology&ved=2ahUKEwidzKSIv7_2AhUJuRoKHZZOBAsQFnoECAkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3RAVYPh5lSemBY-0wnqGT4
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Post by Montezuma on Mar 11, 2022 20:33:43 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Mar 11, 2022 20:44:42 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Mar 11, 2022 20:52:14 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Mar 11, 2022 21:06:17 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Mar 11, 2022 21:48:11 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Mar 11, 2022 23:40:51 GMT -5
Awesome thread bro. So even Andean bears are revered in Andean culture. Not much is known about this.
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Post by arctozilla on Mar 12, 2022 3:20:50 GMT -5
Wow so in a lot of cultures bears are respected.
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Post by brobear on Mar 12, 2022 5:07:51 GMT -5
I second replies #9 and #10. Totally Awesome!
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Post by Montezuma on Mar 13, 2022 2:01:02 GMT -5
I knew that you guys would like this thread. As king kodiak said that its hard to find about bears importance in natives, so thats true. Thats almost impossible. As i told in the beginning that in this article it is written thats bears are nearly never seen in andean cultures cosmology or art etc. This made us to think that bears are not important in natives andeans. Felines, birds, snakes or caimans etc are common in andean mythology and art but not bears. But we investigated more research and found many evidences that bears were very important in native cultures and sometimes were dominant (as shown above) but were not represented to other people, just like tge inuits who repspect polar bear the most of any animal but don't show any clue to otger people.
The natives also say that the bears and large felines are the same. As some say that the cougar is a "yellow bear" and some say that the bear is the "black shadow of puma". So it is quite possible that if they show respect to felines so they are showing the same respect to the bears as both are considered the same mostly. However, what is the case. Though we cannot see andean people respecting the bear our ownselves; yet in this article, both the experts proved that the andean people always respected the bears. We can see that bears are symbols of masculine sex, fertility and water. Their strength makes them a good symbolic skin of warrior. They are seen in cosmology and iconography. They are also associated with god El Lanzon and are also a physically and spiritually powerful animal for men and are very sacred.
Edit: we must read this phrase well because it explains all the situation that , In many parts of Peru and Bovilia, bears play an "enigmatic" but "profound" and even sometimes "dominating" role in contemporary cultures. The word "enigmatic" means a thing that is hard to undetstand or derive, the word "profound" means a deep thing, role, importance, respect, belief etc abd the word "dominating" means taking control on others by force or without force. So it clearly means that, "In the cultures of the andean people, spectacled bears play a large role in their mythology and cosmology, and even sometimes, surpass other animals in importance in some cultures but despite of this importance we (non-natives) cannot understand that respect and importance the natives give to the bear."
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Post by Montezuma on Mar 13, 2022 2:26:18 GMT -5
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Post by arctozilla on Mar 13, 2022 3:42:53 GMT -5
Cat fanatics would cry a river reading the whole thread.
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 4, 2022 18:40:57 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 15, 2022 19:44:15 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 15, 2022 19:48:51 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 15, 2022 19:59:59 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 15, 2022 20:19:59 GMT -5
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