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Post by Gorilla king on Mar 14, 2024 5:36:25 GMT -5
Well he is wrong, show him this, maybe he will change his mind.
DALE MIQUELLE-TSTP DIRECTOR
"It is clear that brown bears reap greater benefit from the presence of tigers because tigers killed animals - a source of protein food for bears. Therefore, not surprisingly, bears commonly use this source, even if it requires a direct clash with the Tigers., Tigers, it seems unable to prevent adult male brown bears away from their food."
Reply #5:
beargorillarealm.proboards.com/post/93/thread
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Mar 17, 2024 2:40:53 GMT -5
/\ The article ends with some tigers have learn to hunt bears. Therefore, not all bears win fights with tigers. That might lead him to ask more questions . Tigers in some areas hunt bears during summer and autumn where they overlap though I believe these bears are mainly adult females (in STP, adult females have been verified as prey).
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Post by Gorilla king on Mar 17, 2024 7:12:45 GMT -5
However, when tigers hunt bears, its basically always done by ambush, therefore the tiger is not winning a "fight". Explain him that.
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Post by Jiren on Apr 4, 2024 7:24:32 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Apr 4, 2024 7:41:21 GMT -5
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Post by Jiren on Apr 4, 2024 7:47:32 GMT -5
Yeah I know. Just wanted to show the full study. It comes from Nikolaev, I.G., Yudin, V.G., 1993. Tiger and man in conflict situations. Volume 3 of Bulletin of the Moscow Society of Natural Scientists
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Apr 10, 2024 7:22:22 GMT -5
Reply 900. It is hard to get hold of my team leader this days. He is in working in thee inbound section while I am on the outbound section and work has pick up pace. I will be a while before I am able to show him the article .
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Apr 10, 2024 7:31:47 GMT -5
However, when tigers hunt bears, its basically always done by ambush, therefore the tiger is not winning a "fight". Explain him that. One of the few exceptions of a face to face fight is the failed ambush between Dale/Dima/M20 and a female brown bear almost his own weight. It is true that Dima did the first hit but a wounded bear is also more aggressive than a bear that is not injured. I know many still consider the bespectacled tiger and Chamlid unconfirmed. Does unconfirmed means it is false? Maybe, maybe not. However, for discussions sake, even if Chamlid was killed, it is probably because the tiger being experience in hunting female bears, got his 30% in winning. Chamlid is incredibly huge but he was also in his winter weight mode which is less agile than a summer weight male Peninsula Alaskan brown bear, Kodiak and polar bear. Remember the article from shaggygod saying that bears (referring to the Cinnamon bear but I believe it also refers to winter weight black and brown bears) are unable to make a jump over the river in winter weight? I still think the male Ussuri brown bear wins 7/10. Sorry for being repetitious - don't want anyone to think I have changed sides . Also something that happens once in a blue moon cannot be taken as a rule of thumb in my honest opinion.
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Apr 10, 2024 7:34:11 GMT -5
I believe that if Chamlid shows himself, it will end certain things. Alexander Batolov seems to believe it is real from his reports. Sooner or later, more confirmation will come out. I know a few of you have said that biologist can make mistakes. We just have to be patient and wait. I remember Brobear once said to avoid becoming fanboys, we need to try to prove ourselves wrong.
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Post by Gorilla king on Apr 10, 2024 10:03:00 GMT -5
A wounded bear might be more aggressive, but at the same time it is alot weaker due to the initial ambush.
Unconfirmed means unconfirmed, could had happened, could have not. What we do know for sure is that its not part of a peer reviewed study. Also, this has nothing to do with that 30% face to face fight ratio as there was no evidence of a struggle, so if the tiger did kill that bear, it was most likely by ambush.
I agree with this ratio.
Let him put his reports in a peer reviewed study, where other biologists agree with him.
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Apr 10, 2024 14:21:30 GMT -5
/\ Thanks for responding at least both our opinions on who will win are the same. How heavy do you think Chamlid is in winter and summer weight?
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Apr 16, 2024 15:08:10 GMT -5
Back in the Domain, some posters mentioned that male Ussuri brown bears prefer to be in areas where female Ussuri brown bears are present.
Does anyone have a source for it?
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Post by yz on Apr 16, 2024 15:56:30 GMT -5
Back in the Domain, some posters mentioned that male Ussuri brown bears prefer to be in areas where female Ussuri brown bears are present. Does anyone have a source for it? I don't think it needs a source or anything. Like animals would definitely prefer areas with Mating privileges
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Post by Gorilla king on Apr 16, 2024 16:00:53 GMT -5
Back in the Domain, some posters mentioned that male Ussuri brown bears prefer to be in areas where female Ussuri brown bears are present. Does anyone have a source for it? I have never read anything like that to be honest, at least i dont remember it. Anyhow, this sounds reasonable for mating season, outside of mating season, bears main interest is finding food.
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Apr 16, 2024 20:16:11 GMT -5
/\ That was probably a few years back in the Domain, you, Brobear, and myself were discussing that subject .
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