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Post by brobear on Jul 10, 2022 2:26:22 GMT -5
Those are brown bears. One has a scar on his side, most likely received in a skirmish with another bear.
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Post by Montezuma on Jul 10, 2022 3:32:41 GMT -5
Those are brown bears. One has a scar on his side, most likely received in a skirmish with another bear. there is a yellow chest mark on his chest. Grizzlies do not have that mark. |
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Post by brobear on Jul 10, 2022 5:46:45 GMT -5
Those are brown bears. One has a scar on his side, most likely received in a skirmish with another bear. there is a yellow chest mark on his chest. Grizzlies do not have that mark. OK, you are correct Montezuma. Those were all brown bears except for the last one with the scar which is definitely a moon bear. This short video is ( I assume ) a Chinese tiger fanboy made video. No real biologist would see a scar on a bear's side and automatically assume a tiger put it there. Only a radical, juvenile, desperate tiger fanboy would make such a absurd assumption. |
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Post by Gorilla king on Jul 10, 2022 7:09:52 GMT -5
 Yeah, definitely a black bear. It would be good to get this video translated, although its possible a tiger could had made that scratch, could had been another bear as brobear said.
The black bear subspecies found at tiger & leopard National Park, located in Heilongjiang, China, is the Ussuri black bear:
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Post by arctozilla on Jul 10, 2022 8:18:36 GMT -5
That channel equals to garbage.
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Post by Gorilla king on Jul 10, 2022 8:33:13 GMT -5
That channel equals to garbage.
"Siberian tiger, the king of beasts in the Far East of Russia"
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Post by Montezuma on Jul 10, 2022 10:44:51 GMT -5
That channel equals to garbage.
"Siberian tiger, the king of beasts in the Far East of Russia"
that chinese fanboy just saw a scar mark, and said it done by tiger. What a shit. And his so-called king of the beasts gets destroyed by brown bears. Haha, coward silly ass. |
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Post by oldcyansilverback on Jul 14, 2022 5:21:06 GMT -5
If the Ussuri brown bear were replaced with the polar bear, I am sure the latter will have more kill counts on its list.
Firstly, the male polar bear is much larger and stronger than any Ussuri brown bear and Siberian tiger. Next, the male polar bear is highly carnivorous. Lastly for consistencies sake, given I support a male Ussuri brown bear 7/10 over a male Amur tiger at average weights.
The Siberian tiger will kill mainly yellowish white bear cubs and probably subadults but not males.
Some female polar bears overlap in weight with Siberian tigers, so females will not be entirely safe from male Amur tigers.
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Post by arctozilla on Jul 14, 2022 5:25:20 GMT -5
/\ the tiger would also be eaten by polar bear.
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Post by Gorilla king on Jul 14, 2022 8:17:53 GMT -5
oldcyansilverbackIt should kill subadult females but not subadult males as i calculate that subadult male polar bears should weigh in the range of 400-600 lbs, equal or even more than the average adult male Siberian tiger.
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Post by oldcyansilverback on Jul 14, 2022 15:18:07 GMT -5
/\ the tiger would also be eaten by polar bear. That is if the polar bear can catch the much faster tiger but I agree the yellowish white bear being much bigger will dominate. |
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Post by oldcyansilverback on Jul 14, 2022 15:22:51 GMT -5
Reply 469. There is a record where a barren ground grizzly has killed a two year old polar bear (which isn’t sexually mature). Therefore, I should have been more specific. Male polar bears sexually mature at 6 years old but are excluded from mating season till they reach 8 to 10 years old by stronger males.
From there, I believe that male polar bears can prey on tigers of all ages but subadults that are not yet sexually mature might still be vulnerable to the striped pantherine’s predation.
However, I believe we all at least agree a more carnivorous yellowish white bear would or might have more kills on its stats.
In Churchill, polar bears cross paths with grizzly and black bears so as interactions gets more tense, they would be more kills.
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Post by oldcyansilverback on Jul 14, 2022 16:08:33 GMT -5
Back to the video where the black bear had a scratch mark, I got the translation from someone: carnivora.net/what-s-your-ethnicity-t9684-s30.html#p221586Alright Translation: The bear who is as strong as an Amur Tiger had long scratches on it's body because of entering a tiger's territory, showing his escape from the mighty cat. According to research, there are 10 new baby tigers in this national park, making the wild population 50 tigers. This means that the tiger's will once again thrive in the wild |
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Post by arctozilla on Jul 14, 2022 16:18:04 GMT -5
/\ It states "the bear is as strong as the tiger". That tiger dick sucking moron left that part out. Typical behaviour of cat fanatics.
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Post by Montezuma on Jul 16, 2022 13:24:59 GMT -5
"Until recently the Amur tiger was also considered to be the largest tiger sub-species. Recent research suggests that this is likely to be an exaggeration and that, typically, Amur tigers are about the same size as Bengal tigers. Since 1992 the largest male tiger ever captured for scientific research under the Siberian Tiger Project weighed in at 206kg."
www.tepagency.com/siberian-tiger
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Post by Gorilla king on Jul 23, 2022 18:11:40 GMT -5
This is from Sergey Ivanovich Ognev, Russian scientist, zoologist, and naturalist:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Ognev
"Finally, the tiger killed the bear, but the latter probably inflicted great damage on his foe, as large fragments of tiger hide lay scattered about."
books.google.com.ar/books?id=g8fwAAAAMAAJ&q=Finally
My speculation is, since tigers completely avoid adult male brown bears, this would mean that a male tiger ambushed a smaller subadult brown bear (or even black bear), he failed to kill the bear fast, a fight happened, and the bear inflicted great damage to the tiger even while being initially ambushed and injured.
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Post by Montezuma on Jul 24, 2022 2:57:11 GMT -5
Credited to warsaw Alexander Batalov. "...The prizes of the competition are two traps and an annual subscription to the prestigious hunting and fishing magazine “Magic Safari. - This year, I sent several materials to the competition, filmed by devices installed on my farm, but the video “Brown bear at the mailbox” collected the most reviews, on which the bear leaves his marks at the so-called tiger mailbox - a tree, with the help of which the striped masters of the taiga exchange informacje, - Alexander Sergeevich specified. There is an opinion that brown bears do not appear in tiger lands and do not seek to announce their presence. However, according to Batalov, the video explains that both animals live together on the same territory. Clubfoot are not afraid to make themselves known, and tigers do not mess with them..." todaykhv.ru/news/in-areas-of-the-province/10605/ |
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Post by Gorilla king on Jul 24, 2022 6:51:42 GMT -5
Reply #476:
That is a really awesome find by Warsaw!
Correct. Coincides with this study i found long time ago, the brown bear is showing indirect aggression towards the tiger:
Reply #9:
beargorillarealm.proboards.com/post/100/thread
What a quote. Someone is crying, lmao.
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Post by Montezuma on Jul 26, 2022 2:25:06 GMT -5
"There is an opinion that brown bears do not appear in tiger lands and do not seek to announce their presence. However, according to Batalov, the video explains that both animals live together on the same territory."I really love this quote. Know why? Becuase it not only just tells that bears live peacefully with tigers, but also debuncks that "opinion" (that bear fear tigers) by mentioning it. So every tigerfan's claim that bears avoid tiger is mentioned by a biologist and debuncked it just like krechmar debuncked that claim by calling it "not based on facts". And the last quote that tigers do not mess with these bears clearly means that tigers avoid them while the bear does not. Really, one of the greatest find by warsaw! Over here is a pdf file written by biologists about the "Daily activity patterns of brown bears in sikhote-alin". The worth thing is to be noted that is this study, not even one time it is mentioned that tigers have any effect on bear behaviour, even on female bears. It shows that bears generally have no fear of tigers. Their behaviour is effected by climate and food, not by tigers. www.researchgate.net/publication/257859027_Daily_activity_patterns_of_brown_bear_Ursus_arctos_of_the_Sikhote-Alin_mountain_range_Primorskiy_Krai_RussiaSo another evidence that tigers have no effect on bears.
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Post by Montezuma on Jul 27, 2022 12:28:14 GMT -5
Today i am very happy because i got an email from a russian biologist about tigers and brown bears. According to him, adult tigers kill young brown bears while big adult male bears robb and even kill tigers!!
His name is Gleb A. Sedash, who is a researcher in Land of the leopard national park in Russian far east. Here is the email.
Me:- "Hello! I am a great fan of your work. I just want to ask that do male brown bears dominate tigers in russia as brown bears do with cougars in america?"
Your sincerely,
Gleb:- "Hello! It is a complicated relationship between amur tigers and brown bears on russian Far East! Small and young bears are the prey for adult tigers. But big adult males of brown bear could scare tigers and steal their prey. Sometimes, if tiger dont retreat, big bear kill them." This is the good article about this question:
with best regards, Gleb
(Thats the same article that we have alreadily read)
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