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Post by Montezuma on Apr 16, 2023 2:41:06 GMT -5
In ecosystems, to avoid competition or confrontations, predators occupy different elevation level to avoid each other as in South East Asia, Tigers, Leopards and Clouded Leopards live on different elevations of a similar place.
www.biodiversity-science.net/EN/10.17520/biods.2020359
Siberian tigers occupy higher and lower elevations (according to prey avaiability). Black bears on the other hand occupy high elevations to avoid the brown bears in lower elevation.
www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/12/10/1262#B78-animals-12-01262
But black bears never changed elevations to avoid tigers. Does that mean they fear more brown bears that of tigers?
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Post by Gorilla king on Apr 16, 2023 7:58:47 GMT -5
I dont think so bro. That wouldn't make much sense. Tigers ambush and kill black bears (not so much the adult males) much more than brown bears, in fact, i dont think we have any account of an Ussuri brown bear killing an Ussuri black bear. But we never really know what's going on in the mind of these animals.
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 16, 2023 14:47:43 GMT -5
Yeah. Thats the same fucking thing i am confused of. Why don't black bears change elevations to avoid tigers but they do against brown bears? Once, i read that most studies are on siberian tigers, making black bear ecology rarely understood.
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Post by oldindigosilverback on Apr 17, 2023 3:30:55 GMT -5
/\I was thinking about that too. Tigers are faster than Ussuri brown bears and can catch the black bears quicker.
I am aware Asiatic black bears can climb better than tigers and even leopards but they would have a much easier time escaping brown bears than tigers.
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Post by arctozilla on Aug 1, 2023 14:04:10 GMT -5
So even black bears who are pound for pound weaker than brown bears give tough fights to tigers. Ahahahah
Also the "you know what" can't call us out for fanboying since he said "There's no single record bear killing a little tiger cub".
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Post by Gorilla king on Oct 30, 2023 16:45:39 GMT -5
This paragraph is from Dr. Asir Jawahar Thomas Johnsingh, an Indian vertebrate ecologist:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._J._T._Johnsingh
"...I wondered what the black bear will be eating in the Park as the only edible fruit I saw was of Zizyphus mauritiana the fruits of which were as big as a small lemon indicating the productivity of the land. The omnivorous bear should also be scavenging on the tiger kills. I saluted the brave black bear (during my short stay I had seen tracks of two different bears), which manage to survive even in the alluvial floodplain habitat with a high density of tigers but scattered trees where, therefore, the chances of scurrying up the trees when confronted by a tiger are less..."
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Post by Jiren on Jan 28, 2024 5:41:13 GMT -5
In the Himalayas , Burton considered bears to be normal food for tigers , but there has been no evidence of this in recent years books.google.com/books?id=MGs-AQAAIAAJ&q=In+the+Himalayas+,+Burton+considered+bears+to+be+normal+food+for+tigers+,+but+there+has+been+no+evidence+of+this+in+...&dq=In+the+Himalayas+,+Burton+considered+bears+to+be+normal+food+for+tigers+,+but+there+has+been+no+evidence+of+this+in+...&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&ovdme=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjTob3on7H8AhXAkWoFHSSoDM0Q6AF6BAgDEAM
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Post by Jiren on Jan 28, 2024 5:43:15 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Jan 30, 2024 12:14:55 GMT -5
Can you post the image of it bro? I can't see it in link.
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Post by Jiren on Feb 2, 2024 19:27:23 GMT -5
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Post by Jiren on Feb 2, 2024 19:28:19 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla king on Feb 3, 2024 8:43:44 GMT -5
He is of course talking about the Himalayan black bear (Ursus thibetanus laniger), the most aggressive black bear subspecies in the world, and the absolute only black bear that has winning accounts against tigers. Tigers run away when this bear goes to take their kill. Great account.
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Post by Gorilla king on May 21, 2024 19:43:08 GMT -5
An awesome find by "vip.everyday"
carnivora.net/siberian-tiger-v-ussuri-brown-bear-t8294-s5670.html#p285950
Ussuri black bear displaces Siberian tigress from a kill. So why do i call this an "awesome find" ? Because this is the absolute first video/account/record of an Ussuri black bear besting an Amur tiger in any way possible.
It was a tigress tho, yes it was, but for a god damn black bear, even more so the Ussuri black bear subspecies (Ursus thibetanus ussuricus), who is most likely the most passive black bear subspecies in the world, to displace even a tigress, that was harsh, i call this an accomplishment. I have been looking for years, for any type of account of an ussuri black bear besting an amur tiger in any way possible with no luck.
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Post by Montezuma on May 22, 2024 13:44:18 GMT -5
Very nice find by vip and thanks for posting this gem here. The guy VIP is really a very important person. Good job.
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Post by Montezuma on May 22, 2024 13:48:42 GMT -5
I want to add some more. That video just made me laugh loudly the way the bear was chasing the tiger. It's however no surprise to me. Bengal tiger run from sloth bear charging to them face to face and so did this Siberian tigress when seeing an approaching bear. Imagine how a male tigers runs from a male brown bear.
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Post by Gorilla king on May 22, 2024 15:20:08 GMT -5
I want to add some more. That video just made me laugh loudly the way the bear was chasing the tiger. It's however no surprise to me. Bengal tiger run from sloth bear charging to them face to face and so did this Siberian tigress when seeing an approaching bear. Imagine how a male tigers runs from a male brown bear. Yeah bro, and guess what? Looks like the little tiger fanboy "apex FAGtan" is pissed off and making excuses:
wildfact.com/forum/topic-big-cat-and-bear-tale?pid=206234#pid206234
So why was the tigress still close to the kill and guarding it then? Why didn't she left? Oh yeah, because she was hoping to get a second sitting later on or in the next few days maybe? So 1 video comes out favoring a bear and this kid goes wild, lmao.
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Post by Montezuma on May 23, 2024 18:31:45 GMT -5
Not the tigress's belly is full, instead Fagtitan's ass is full of accounts bears dominating tigers that he cannot simply have this one in his already full booty.
Note here that the smaller bear simply challenged a larger opponent over a kill? Doesn't he deserves the credit for his audacity? She is full? Why was she still there? She wasn't even resting near the kill. Even his excuse is weak. Lmao.
This is a clearly video of a tigress being chased off by a black bear in a face-to-face encounter. Any type of excuse is simply dishonesty or ignorance.
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